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Nov 14, 2022 at 7:20 AM

TD49ers
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Jimmy has plenty of limitations in the passing game but Kyle is solely responsibility for the running game which is not effective enough for all the resources and focus this team has put into it. The epitomy of this was our inability at the goal line late in the 4th qtr.
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Elijah Mitchell had a huge gapping hole on the play he slipped on.

Fair but anecdotal and was one play.

All scoring plays are 1 play. When your offense has a dropped TD and lost footing on a perfectly blocked play it hurts the score but we still got the W

End of the day, the running game is not dominating like it should.

[ Edited by TD49ers on Nov 14, 2022 at 7:20 AM ]

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:20 AM

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this team has 2 problems that will hold us back from winning a Super Bowl. #1 is Shannahan and it isn't even close. Even if we had a different QB, wouldn't matter cause nothing is gonna change who Shannahan is. He's egotistical, a micro manager, and ultra conservative. NOTHING will change who Shannahan is.

#2 is Jimmy but it's a distant #2. If we had a better coach Jimmy wouldn't be an issue.

[ Edited by maximusdecimus on Nov 14, 2022 at 7:25 AM ]

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
this team has 2 problems that will hold us back from winning a Super Bowl. #1 is Shannahan and it isn't even close. Even if we had a different QB, wouldn't matter cause nothing is gonna change who Shannahan is. He's egotistical, a micro manager, and ultra conservative. NOTHING will change who Shannahan is.

#2 is Jimmy but it's a distant #2. If we had a better coach Jimmy wouldn't be an issue.

So if the 49ers had a better coach... Would Jimmy be a top 5 QB?

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
this team has 2 problems that will hold us back from winning a Super Bowl. #1 is Shannahan and it isn't even close. Even if we had a different QB, wouldn't matter cause nothing is gonna change who Shannahan is. He's egotistical, a micro manager, and ultra conservative. NOTHING will change who Shannahan is.

#2 is Jimmy but it's a distant #2. If we had a better coach Jimmy wouldn't be an issue.

So if the 49ers had a better coach... Would Jimmy be a top 5 QB?

Easy……… don't get crazy here.

Im good with keeping jimmy from being a negative. A good coach could make jimmy "better than serviceable". I just don't think it's jimmy holding back the Niners. It's 100% Shannahan.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:35 AM

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Hysterikal
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Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Jimmy has plenty of limitations in the passing game but Kyle is solely responsibility for the running game which is not effective enough for all the resources and focus this team has put into it. The epitomy of this was our inability at the goal line late in the 4th qtr.

Elijah Mitchell had a huge gapping hole on the play he slipped on.
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Fair but anecdotal and was one play.

All scoring plays are 1 play. When your offense has a dropped TD and lost footing on a perfectly blocked play it hurts the score but we still got the W

End of the day, the running game is not dominating like it should.

We ran the ball 40 times into stacked boxes. It's not the running games fault defenses do not respect our passing game.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Easy……… don't get crazy here.

Im good with keeping jimmy from being a negative. A good coach could make jimmy "better than serviceable". I just don't think it's jimmy holding back the Niners. It's 100% Shannahan.

can you explain how in every season we have had our #1 QB not get injured we make a deep playoff run?

If he is holding this team back i mean

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
this team has 2 problems that will hold us back from winning a Super Bowl. #1 is Shannahan and it isn't even close. Even if we had a different QB, wouldn't matter cause nothing is gonna change who Shannahan is. He's egotistical, a micro manager, and ultra conservative. NOTHING will change who Shannahan is.

#2 is Jimmy but it's a distant #2. If we had a better coach Jimmy wouldn't be an issue.

So if the 49ers had a better coach... Would Jimmy be a top 5 QB?

WE wont know til we got a real HC..

Akilex Smith became a better QB when we got rid of SAMURAI MIKE... no??

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:
What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes right now? Would Bill Belichick be the greatest coach of all time if he had taken Tim Rattay over Tom Brady? Would the West Coast offense exist in any form if the 49ers pass on Joe Montana? We all wish Shanahan would be more aggressive. But is almost always comes down to the QB.

Point is Reid and Bill eval'd and drafted franchise QBs. You can say this is luck and there is some element of luck to the draft. KS is 6 years in and has yet to find one.. you may say TL but he has yet to show it. KS is either very unlucky at finding FQBs or he isn't good at it.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:44 AM

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:
What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes right now? Would Bill Belichick be the greatest coach of all time if he had taken Tim Rattay over Tom Brady? Would the West Coast offense exist in any form if the 49ers pass on Joe Montana? We all wish Shanahan would be more aggressive. But is almost always comes down to the QB.

Point is Reid and Bill eval'd and drafted franchise QBs. You can say this is luck and there is some element of luck to the draft. KS is 6 years in and has yet to find one.. you may say TL but he has yet to show it. KS is either very unlucky at finding FQBs or he isn't good at it.

Yeah Bill knew Brady was a sure thing that's why he waited so long to take him.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:44 AM

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If KS picked TL and TL doesn't validate the draft status or become a viable starter that becomes 100% on KS..

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:
What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes right now? Would Bill Belichick be the greatest coach of all time if he had taken Tim Rattay over Tom Brady? Would the West Coast offense exist in any form if the 49ers pass on Joe Montana? We all wish Shanahan would be more aggressive. But is almost always comes down to the QB.

Point is Reid and Bill eval'd and drafted franchise QBs. You can say this is luck and there is some element of luck to the draft. KS is 6 years in and has yet to find one.. you may say TL but he has yet to show it. KS is either very unlucky at finding FQBs or he isn't good at it.

Yeah Bill knew Brady was a sure thing that's why he waited so long to take him.

You can give snarky remarks and I get it but point is the Pats saw more than the other 31 clubs.. they invested the pick gotta give em some credit when they made the pick other clubs didn't.. they didn't see him being THAT good but they saw something, right?

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If KS picked TL and TL doesn't validate the draft status or become a viable starter that becomes 100% on KS..

Thanks Capt Obvious.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:47 AM

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Again if you are upset with JG be upset with KS this is the best KS can do folks.. 6 years in JG is the best KS can find

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:49 AM

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Hysterikal
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:
What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes right now? Would Bill Belichick be the greatest coach of all time if he had taken Tim Rattay over Tom Brady? Would the West Coast offense exist in any form if the 49ers pass on Joe Montana? We all wish Shanahan would be more aggressive. But is almost always comes down to the QB.
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Point is Reid and Bill eval'd and drafted franchise QBs. You can say this is luck and there is some element of luck to the draft. KS is 6 years in and has yet to find one.. you may say TL but he has yet to show it. KS is either very unlucky at finding FQBs or he isn't good at it.

Yeah Bill knew Brady was a sure thing that's why he waited so long to take him.

You can give snarky remarks and I get it but point is the Pats saw more than the other 31 clubs.. they invested the pick gotta give em some credit when they made the pick other clubs didn't.. they didn't see him being THAT good but they saw something, right?

They saw a decent backup I'm sure. But to give him credit for finding Brady is a big reach. You think Hoodie was breaking down Michigan film watching a late round QB. The defensive guru Belichick? The Patriots scouts found Brady. The same with Mahomes. It wasn't Reid it's their current GM but wasn't at the time who was pounding the table to draft Mahomes and luckily they listened to him.

Nov 14, 2022 at 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:
What would Andy Reid be without Mahomes right now? Would Bill Belichick be the greatest coach of all time if he had taken Tim Rattay over Tom Brady? Would the West Coast offense exist in any form if the 49ers pass on Joe Montana? We all wish Shanahan would be more aggressive. But is almost always comes down to the QB.
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Point is Reid and Bill eval'd and drafted franchise QBs. You can say this is luck and there is some element of luck to the draft. KS is 6 years in and has yet to find one.. you may say TL but he has yet to show it. KS is either very unlucky at finding FQBs or he isn't good at it.

Yeah Bill knew Brady was a sure thing that's why he waited so long to take him.

You can give snarky remarks and I get it but point is the Pats saw more than the other 31 clubs.. they invested the pick gotta give em some credit when they made the pick other clubs didn't.. they didn't see him being THAT good but they saw something, right?

BILL saw enough in Brady and believe that he can at least play in the NFL even as a backup... even Bledsoe had said that he's (life time backup) in one of his interview.. no one know he was going to be the 2nd GOAT..

But can you say that with PURDY ?? can you sit here and say that we have a back up that can really start when needed ??