Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Scoring is down all over the league thus year. I don't know why. Maybe it's the high number of KEY injuries we've seen around the league. Maye defense ar efinally figuring out how to slow down the offenses after all the rule changes that made scoring easier.

It seem to me that they're allowing a lot more contact between DBs and WRs than they used to. Both parties seem to be grabbing and holding even downfield to the point that I'm not sure anymore what constitutes PI. I see a lot of replays where defenders have a grio on one arm or seem to be pushing the receiver without a flag being tossed.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Scoring is down all over the league thus year. I don't know why. Maybe it's the high number of KEY injuries we've seen around the league. Maye defense ar efinally figuring out how to slow down the offenses after all the rule changes that made scoring easier.

It seem to me that they're allowing a lot more contact between DBs and WRs than they used to. Both parties seem to be grabbing and holding even downfield to the point that I'm not sure anymore what constitutes PI. I see a lot of replays where defenders have a grio on one arm or seem to be pushing the receiver without a flag being tossed.

I think a big reason is a shift towards more two high coverage shells. Time for offenses to adjust - run the ball well, more dink and dunk drives.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Scoring is down all over the league thus year. I don't know why. Maybe it's the high number of KEY injuries we've seen around the league. Maye defense ar efinally figuring out how to slow down the offenses after all the rule changes that made scoring easier.

It seem to me that they're allowing a lot more contact between DBs and WRs than they used to. Both parties seem to be grabbing and holding even downfield to the point that I'm not sure anymore what constitutes PI. I see a lot of replays where defenders have a grio on one arm or seem to be pushing the receiver without a flag being tossed.

I think a big reason is a shift towards more two high coverage shells. Time for offenses to adjust - run the ball well, more dink and dunk drives.

Do we face lots of 2 highs?

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

That's because you're intentionally missing it. It's perfectly clear. The running game hasn't been that good because of the running game itself. It has nothing to do with the passing game.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Scoring is down all over the league thus year. I don't know why. Maybe it's the high number of KEY injuries we've seen around the league. Maye defense ar efinally figuring out how to slow down the offenses after all the rule changes that made scoring easier.

It seem to me that they're allowing a lot more contact between DBs and WRs than they used to. Both parties seem to be grabbing and holding even downfield to the point that I'm not sure anymore what constitutes PI. I see a lot of replays where defenders have a grio on one arm or seem to be pushing the receiver without a flag being tossed.

I think a big reason is a shift towards more two high coverage shells. Time for offenses to adjust - run the ball well, more dink and dunk drives.

Do we face lots of 2 highs?

I was responding to CM80's comment about "scoring down around the league".
I don't know about how often the 49ers face two high but the 49ers haven't really been a throw it downfield for explosives type of offense anyway. They actually invite stacked boxes with how tight and bunched they line up, along with actually using a fullback.

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

That's because you're intentionally missing it. It's perfectly clear. The running game hasn't been that good because of the running game itself. It has nothing to do with the passing game.

Zero to do with the defense not being scared of the passing game?

The poll phrased another way:

Who holds us back more?

1. KS
2. KS inability to find, develop, groom a FQB

Either way it comes back to KS

McGlinchey

Originally posted by fropwns:
McGlinchey

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

That's because you're intentionally missing it. It's perfectly clear. The running game hasn't been that good because of the running game itself. It has nothing to do with the passing game.

Nothing to do with passing.

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:
Is there anyone in this fan base besides me who realizes that the 49ers lack any receivers who can separate from man coverage with actual route running?

I realize football fans don't do logic well, so let me explain something to you that you don't seem to be aware of.

Deebo Samuel didn't make the Pro Bowl last year because he's a great, good, or even average route runner. He made it because he's great after the catch. Period, the end. That's his entire game. He's a running back who catches the ball.

George Kittle is a great blocker and used to be great after the catch (he appears to have lost a step since all the injuries). Those are the things he is/was elite at, not separating from man coverage.

Jimmy isn't limiting the offense. He has been hitting guys on the stuff they're good at, and not on the stuff they're not.

Did you see the needle Jimmy had to thread to complete that 3rd and long to Aiyuk on the comeback? What goes unsaid there is how Aiyuk had ZERO separation on that play.

THAT is why Jimmy hasn't thrown much outside the numbers in his 49ers career. The receivers suck at those routes. Jimmy is excellent at throwing them, but the personnel doesn't fit that.

The best route runner on the team is Jennings, and that's really saying something, considering he's not exactly Isaac Bruce himself.

The passing game looked significantly better in 2019 when Emmanuel Sanders joined the team. That's the last time Jimmy had a guy who could run actual patterns.

All of this "there are so many weapons" crap ignores all of that. The 49ers have redundant niche players. That's not "stacked." Stacked is the 1989-1994 49ers.

Agree

If we are being honest, and i doubt we are, its a combination of things:

1. Player execution. Aiyuk fumble, Aiyuk drop TD pass, Gould xtra pts miss, Mitchell slip on the goal line. thats 4 to 8 pts alone and i'm not even counting the Aiyuk fumble. People love to point at playcalling but go back and watch the film. Sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot and sometimes the defense just makes a good play.

2. Jimmy G. He is what he is. He's put together a couple good games and he'll lay a dud here and there. He isn't suppose to be the starter and there is absolutely nothing we or the 49ers can do at this point. Lets just hope he can keep putting together some nice games.

3. Kyle: I dont agree with everything he does and i wish he would take more chances downfield but thats really my only gripe. He has the weapons and i'm willing to give it more than 1 game to see what happens this offense.

Enjoy the win. They dont happen as much as we like, just ask the Rams

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Easy……… don't get crazy here.

Im good with keeping jimmy from being a negative. A good coach could make jimmy "better than serviceable". I just don't think it's jimmy holding back the Niners. It's 100% Shannahan.

I'll bet you $100 that Jimmy never plays as well under a different coach the rest of his career.