Who holds this offense back more?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by GetSomeRouteRunners:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So everyone who doesn't have a season like these Legends are having a bad season?

No, the point is that the "stacked boxes are limiting the running game" stuff is pure nonsense.

Most of the great running teams in history faced stacked boxes. If you can't run against stacked boxes, you're not that good at running the ball.

The 49ers rank 20th in yards per carry this year, and 5th in net yards per pass attempt. So really, who's really holding the offense back here?

QB and Coach. Sorry I missed your point.

Scoring is down all over the league thus year. I don't know why. Maybe it's the high number of KEY injuries we've seen around the league. Maye defense ar efinally figuring out how to slow down the offenses after all the rule changes that made scoring easier.

It seem to me that they're allowing a lot more contact between DBs and WRs than they used to. Both parties seem to be grabbing and holding even downfield to the point that I'm not sure anymore what constitutes PI. I see a lot of replays where defenders have a grio on one arm or seem to be pushing the receiver without a flag being tossed.

I think a big reason is a shift towards more two high coverage shells. Time for offenses to adjust - run the ball well, more dink and dunk drives.

Do we face lots of 2 highs?

I haven't been too high in a long time.

Originally posted by miked1978:
If we are being honest, and i doubt we are, its a combination of things:

1. Player execution. Aiyuk fumble, Aiyuk drop TD pass, Gould xtra pts miss, Mitchell slip on the goal line. thats 4 to 8 pts alone and i'm not even counting the Aiyuk fumble. People love to point at playcalling but go back and watch the film. Sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot and sometimes the defense just makes a good play.

2. Jimmy G. He is what he is. He's put together a couple good games and he'll lay a dud here and there. He isn't suppose to be the starter and there is absolutely nothing we or the 49ers can do at this point. Lets just hope he can keep putting together some nice games.

3. Kyle: I dont agree with everything he does and i wish he would take more chances downfield but thats really my only gripe. He has the weapons and i'm willing to give it more than 1 game to see what happens this offense.

Enjoy the win. They dont happen as much as we like, just ask the Rams

Agree with the above....when Gould missed the PAT, I thought Uh Oh...at this point, we don't seem to have a killer mindset.

No doubt it's JG. If Rogers or Brady was our QB and we were running the football like we were last night this would be a blowout.
I still think if Aiyuk catches that TD we would've had the chance to run the score up.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The poll phrased another way:

Who holds us back more?

1. KS
2. KS inability to find, develop, groom a FQB

The entire league outside of the Chiefs and Bills have a problem with #2.
Sean Payton straight up retired once Brees left, Hoodie is now at the bottom of the NFC East without TB12, Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow would be lucky to make the playoffs this year.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

Originally posted by titan:
No doubt it's JG. If Rogers or Brady was our QB and we were running the football like we were last night this would be a blowout.
I still think if Aiyuk catches that TD we would've had the chance to run the score up.

The Packers run the same system and they suck. At their absolute best they were easy work for us in the playoffs.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The poll phrased another way:

Who holds us back more?

1. KS
2. KS inability to find, develop, groom a FQB

The entire league outside of the Chiefs and Bills have a problem with #2.
Sean Payton straight up retired once Brees left, Hoodie is now at the bottom of the NFC East without TB12, Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Joe Burrow would be lucky to make the playoffs this year.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard.

On the bolded look at SEA, they developed Russ and got a ton out of him including all those draft picks and now Geno is doing very well. They seem to be doing great. MIA McD doing wonders with Tua. Chicago I see Fields developing week to week. In PHI, Hurts has taken off this year. Do you not see QBs developing around the league in other cities?

Originally posted by Murphys1:

Originally posted by miked1978:
If we are being honest, and i doubt we are, its a combination of things:

1. Player execution. Aiyuk fumble, Aiyuk drop TD pass, Gould xtra pts miss, Mitchell slip on the goal line. thats 4 to 8 pts alone and i'm not even counting the Aiyuk fumble. People love to point at playcalling but go back and watch the film. Sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot and sometimes the defense just makes a good play.

2. Jimmy G. He is what he is. He's put together a couple good games and he'll lay a dud here and there. He isn't suppose to be the starter and there is absolutely nothing we or the 49ers can do at this point. Lets just hope he can keep putting together some nice games.

3. Kyle: I dont agree with everything he does and i wish he would take more chances downfield but thats really my only gripe. He has the weapons and i'm willing to give it more than 1 game to see what happens this offense.

Enjoy the win. They dont happen as much as we like, just ask the Rams

Agree with the above....when Gould missed the PAT, I thought Uh Oh...at this point, we don't seem to have a killer mindset.

Second this. Ball catching has been pathetic this year.

Shanahans play calling is so predictable in most situations.

Additionally you have dopes like Mitchell lining up way too deep on obvious QB sneaks and players not lining up the same between plays to sell the concepts.

Paying deebo 20 mill a year to run 3 jet sweeps a game and catch one pass is stupid.

Too many mouths to feed now with our wealth of offensive talent.

Offensive line sinks drives on first down by either giving up a sack or holding/false starts.

The team is pathetic at converting any distances larger than 1st and 10. 1st and 15 or 20 might as well be first and 50 for this team.

We never throw for chunks or the stick on early downs.

Like others have said it seems like shanahan would rather run a million different zone running schemes then dial up any passing creativity.

49er fans are a different kind of energy. They spend the day after a win talking about who's keeping the team from winning, lol

My vote is for yes.

Wishnowsky had a s**t night til that punt that Peppers and Womack almost f**ked up.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
49er fans are a different kind of energy. They spend the day after a win talking about who's keeping the team from winning, lol

That's because most expected thus team to be about 7-2 right now instead of 5-4. I doubt that even the players and coaches thought they would only be 5-4 right now. Nothing wrong with wanting more wins and more points. Fewer FGs and more TDs.

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
My vote is for yes.

Bingo. It's the HC's job to maximize the talent (not just the QB) and its the QB's job to maximize the game plan. But it always starts with the HC/OC.

The main culprit for yesterdays game? Run blocking execution. Sooooo many missed plays. Sooo many plays that was one block away from chunk gains.

No, it wasn't cause they "stacked the box" we had the defenders accounted for and great angles on a bunch of plays but it'd be a block here a block there.
Off the top of my head thinking back through the 40 minutes I watched.
*One play Kittle whiffed on a 5 tech that we had blocked beautifully, coulda gone for 10+ To the point that McGlinchey thought Kittle blew his assignment, you could see the 2 talking about it after the play.
*Trent Williams got blown 5 yards back by a linebacker in to the run lane for another play we pick up 8+ if he blocks like Trent can that ended in a 1 yard loss
* Banks missed a reach block on a play that goes for 8+ that ended in 3
*Kroft whiffed on a block for a play that went for 5 but Mitchell takes 12+ if we make that one block
*Brendel got thrown to the ground by his guy on a play we block up perfectly that should go for 10+ but went for 4
First drive of the game Deebo shoulda had a TD if he follows Trent Williams. Instead he went the other way into the guy Kittle was blocking and went down at the 2.

There were others as well. Soooo many missed ops in the run game. This coulda been a 200 yard rushing game if we execute a handful more blocks.

Illusions of the forty whiners 🤣 definition of low vibrational malcontents of the "fanbase".

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
My vote is for yes.

Bingo. It's the HC's job to maximize the talent (not just the QB) and its the QB's job to maximize the game plan. But it always starts with the HC/OC.

Always starts with the QB.