Hey there all you FAN-tastic people. Dropping the coaches film analysis this week. Been a long week so here y'all go. Hope this sparks some good convo and there's a ton I couldn't get to, hopefully we get some contributions of some of the plays I couldn't get to.
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week 10 vs LA Chargers Coaches Film Analysis
Nov 15, 2022 at 6:42 PM
- jonnydel
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Nov 15, 2022 at 7:18 PM
- tohara3
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Great video as always! Our offense is just a missed block or 2 from really putting up even bigger yardage totals & points each week!
Nov 15, 2022 at 7:25 PM
- grapesofrathman
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So that's what Fred Warner meant when he said that the defense pretty much ran one call the second half (C4 Palms). That being said, you still (and especially) need to make the one-on-one tackle on those or it's a great gain.
Nov 16, 2022 at 1:54 AM
- DRCHOWDER
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Just watched, some good stuff on the missed blocks on offense which I was predicting but glad it was shown on film
. I've got some difference of opinion on some plays, but kudos for the effort into the video. The 1080p definitely makes it better watch now lol.... Everyone on this board is either bias this or bias that but at the end of the day we're all 49er fans.
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Nov 16, 2022 at 1:54 AM
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Nov 16, 2022 at 3:49 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Just watched, some good stuff on the missed blocks on offense which I was predicting but glad it was shown on film. I've got some difference of opinion on some plays, but kudos for the effort into the video. The 1080p definitely makes it better watch now lol.... Everyone on this board is either bias this or bias that but at the end of the day we're all 49er fans.
I've had it 1080 since some-time last year. Somehow my exporting default for Adobe Premiere got set to a different resolution that was, "source-match" which wasn't even accurate. The source is full HD, 60 FPS. I have to go in and make sure to change it to, "YouTube 1080p full HD". Adobe had about 50 different resolutions you can choose from. I was gonna do, "Youtube 2060p Full HD 4k" but it takes FOREVER to export.
Nov 16, 2022 at 6:06 AM
- 5thSFG
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Jonny, I'll get around to watching this afternoon. Can you give us a quick written summary as to why we were having difficulty in the passing game? More specifically, it felt to me that the typical one-read throws so prominent in Kyle's schemes weren't really there on Sunday. Jimmy was routinely getting to his second, third reads. It's concerning to me that LAC seemed to be selling out to stop the run and we couldn't take advantage of some easy passing schemes.
I could be completely wrong in this. Looking forward to your response. If it's in the video just tell me to f**k off 🤣🤣🤣
I could be completely wrong in this. Looking forward to your response. If it's in the video just tell me to f**k off 🤣🤣🤣
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:33 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Jonny, I'll get around to watching this afternoon. Can you give us a quick written summary as to why we were having difficulty in the passing game? More specifically, it felt to me that the typical one-read throws so prominent in Kyle's schemes weren't really there on Sunday. Jimmy was routinely getting to his second, third reads. It's concerning to me that LAC seemed to be selling out to stop the run and we couldn't take advantage of some easy passing schemes.
I could be completely wrong in this. Looking forward to your response. If it's in the video just tell me to f**k off 🤣🤣🤣
It's important to remember that the LAC were ranked poorly against the run and very high against the pass. They have some serious back end talent. LA did some good things on the back end to adjust during the game. For example, we had a big throw to Aiyuk on the first drive - a DIG route off play-action with a seam route, clearing, from the other side. First play of the 2nd half, we ran the same play and LA flooded the middle of the field and Jimmy hit CMC on a flare route out of the backfield for 20 yards or so.
I felt like our passing offense was quite good in this game considering the opponent and their strength and how many 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs we were in. If anything, the passing offense carried the offense in the game, allowing the run game to still get shots.
We actually did better against LA in the pass game than their season average.
[ Edited by jonnydel on Nov 16, 2022 at 7:53 AM ]
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:46 AM
- 9ers4eva
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's important to remember that the LAC were ranked poorly against the run and very high against the pass. They have some serious back end talent. LA did some good things on the back end to adjust during the game. For example, we had a big throw to Kittle on the first drive - a DIG route off play-action with a seam route, clearing, from the other side. First play of the 2nd half, we ran the same play and LA flooded the middle of the field and Jimmy hit CMC on a flare route out of the backfield for 20 yards or so.
I felt like our passing offense was quite good in this game considering the opponent and their strength and how many 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs we were in. If anything, the passing offense carried the offense in the game, allowing the run game to still get shots.
We actually did better against LA in the pass game than their season average.
Talking too much sense Jonny.
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:48 AM
- 5thSFG
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's important to remember that the LAC were ranked poorly against the run and very high against the pass. They have some serious back end talent. LA did some good things on the back end to adjust during the game. For example, we had a big throw to Kittle on the first drive - a DIG route off play-action with a seam route, clearing, from the other side. First play of the 2nd half, we ran the same play and LA flooded the middle of the field and Jimmy hit CMC on a flare route out of the backfield for 20 yards or so.
I felt like our passing offense was quite good in this game considering the opponent and their strength and how many 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs we were in. If anything, the passing offense carried the offense in the game, allowing the run game to still get shots.
We actually did better against LA in the pass game than their season average.
Good points. I'm not disparaging our passing in the game at all, quite the opposite. I was just surprised to see Jimmy having to rely on 2nd and 3rd reads. Were receivers unable to get open? I think you've pretty much answered that question already… which would lead me to my next question: how were the LAC able to load up to stop the run while also taking away our first and second throwing options so routinely?
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Nov 16, 2022 at 7:51 AM
- pasodoc9er
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Really nice video showing just exactly how complicated Kyle's blocking is on run plays. And as you showed, every single guy has a job but routinely, early on, it seems one guy doesn't get his job done and play fails. It is impressive the way you show how each blocker has his job to do and then, one guy fluffs and there goes the play. Even #85 ,missed an assignment early on. As you mentioned, that one guy who fails in his block can crater the entire play. When 11 guys all do their job, the run plays are spectacular. Downside, however, is it requires all 11 guys to do their jobs exactly, meaning one small screwup and a complex blocking play, no matter how good, goes down the tubes.
Looking at it during game time, it is hard to pick out all the complex blocks required for a successful play. But the problem is the more guys required to block, the more chance for screwups, when 10 of 11 guys are doing their jobs. An obvious question is ," are our run plays TOO complicated when it comes to blocking?"
On D, for the first 3 minutes, again, one DB is not doing his job and Chargers just march down field and score…easily…it wasn't one guy only, but everybody seemed to make a mistake early on. One wonders if the DBs were ready to play from the gitgo…or did they get their heads in the game after the Chargers scored? A little hard to understand how the DBackfield wasn't ready to go from the first play. Just one guy each time…muffed his job and passes were completed. Like with the O, one guy not doing his job, just killed us. Man, how does one coach around that?
Bottom line was a W. But wow, it took an Herculean effort to beat a Chargers team decimated by injuries. Once again you showed stuff i just missed during the game. Thanks for all your great work Jonny, really well done.
Looking at it during game time, it is hard to pick out all the complex blocks required for a successful play. But the problem is the more guys required to block, the more chance for screwups, when 10 of 11 guys are doing their jobs. An obvious question is ," are our run plays TOO complicated when it comes to blocking?"
On D, for the first 3 minutes, again, one DB is not doing his job and Chargers just march down field and score…easily…it wasn't one guy only, but everybody seemed to make a mistake early on. One wonders if the DBs were ready to play from the gitgo…or did they get their heads in the game after the Chargers scored? A little hard to understand how the DBackfield wasn't ready to go from the first play. Just one guy each time…muffed his job and passes were completed. Like with the O, one guy not doing his job, just killed us. Man, how does one coach around that?
Bottom line was a W. But wow, it took an Herculean effort to beat a Chargers team decimated by injuries. Once again you showed stuff i just missed during the game. Thanks for all your great work Jonny, really well done.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Nov 16, 2022 at 7:54 AM ]
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:56 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's important to remember that the LAC were ranked poorly against the run and very high against the pass. They have some serious back end talent. LA did some good things on the back end to adjust during the game. For example, we had a big throw to Kittle on the first drive - a DIG route off play-action with a seam route, clearing, from the other side. First play of the 2nd half, we ran the same play and LA flooded the middle of the field and Jimmy hit CMC on a flare route out of the backfield for 20 yards or so.
I felt like our passing offense was quite good in this game considering the opponent and their strength and how many 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs we were in. If anything, the passing offense carried the offense in the game, allowing the run game to still get shots.
We actually did better against LA in the pass game than their season average.
Good points. I'm not disparaging our passing in the game at all, quite the opposite. I was just surprised to see Jimmy having to rely on 2nd and 3rd reads. Were receivers unable to get open?
Staley is a Fangio disciple and so they play a lot of soft zone and matching principles - that makes those 1st reads deep and intermediate tough to get. Some of it was timing, some of it was really good defensive calls by Staley - he said after the game he thought that was his best defensive gameplan and calling performance he's ever had - or something to that effect. Saw the quote from him on twitter.
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:56 AM
- 5thSFG
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Staley is a Fangio disciple and so they play a lot of soft zone and matching principles - that makes those 1st reads deep and intermediate tough to get. Some of it was timing, some of it was really good defensive calls by Staley - he said after the game he thought that was his best defensive gameplan and calling performance he's ever had - or something to that effect. Saw the quote from him on twitter.
Awesome. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I love your work.
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Nov 16, 2022 at 8:07 AM
- jonnydel
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Really nice video showing just exactly how complicated Kyle's blocking is on run plays. And as you showed, every single guy has a job but routinely, early on, it seems one guy doesn't get his job done and play fails. It is impressive the way you show how each blocker has his job to do and then, one guy fluffs and there goes the play. Even #85 ,missed an assignment early on. As you mentioned, that one guy who fails in his block can crater the entire play. When 11 guys all do their job, the run plays are spectacular. Downside, however, is it requires all 11 guys to do their jobs exactly, meaning one small screwup and a complex blocking play, no matter how good, goes down the tubes.
Looking at it during game time, it is hard to pick out all the complex blocks required for a successful play. But the problem is the more guys required to block, the more chance for screwups, when 10 of 11 guys are doing their jobs. An obvious question is ," are our run plays TOO complicated when it comes to blocking?"
On D, for the first 3 minutes, again, one DB is not doing his job and Chargers just march down field and score…easily…it wasn't one guy only, but everybody seemed to make a mistake early on. One wonders if the DBs were ready to play from the gitgo…or did they get their heads in the game after the Chargers scored? A little hard to understand how the DBackfield wasn't ready to go from the first play. Just one guy each time…muffed his job and passes were completed. Like with the O, one guy not doing his job, just killed us. Man, how does one coach around that?
Bottom line was a W. But wow, it took an Herculean effort to beat a Chargers team decimated by injuries. Once again you showed stuff i just missed during the game. Thanks for all your great work Jonny, really well done.
RE the complicated run scheme. Yes and no. These are also run plays that have been around for 30 years. Zone-blocking as a concept has been in the NFL since Vince Lombardi - he called it a "do-dad" block as a way for a center and FB to exchange assignments depending on who came into their zone of blocking.
Parcells used zone-blocking for DE slants and things in the 80's.
Alex Gibbs is seen as the "father" of the zone-blocking scheme but the zone-blocking concepts have been around for a long time and it's hard to pinpoint exactly where it originated. Some think it started with some college coaches in the 60's.
The Broncos of the late 90's were phenomenal in their zone-blocking scheme and Gibbs has taught the system anywhere from the pros to the high school. There's actually some great videos of him on youtube from install sessions with high school coaches.
I don't feel like it's a too complicated system - at this level, guys gotta do their jobs.
Nov 16, 2022 at 9:08 AM
- thl408
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Nice work breaking down the missed blocks that could have resulted in larger gains. This is the game where I feel missing Lance showed in terms of what Kyle wanted to do versus the 1.5 gapping five man fronts, in the run game. While a lot of this is Fangio's scheme, Staley is the one that showed how it can have a lot of success versus many current NFL offenses (while he was with the Rams).
Lots of success with Eli on inside zone. Had Lance been in, the threat of the QB keep would have really enhanced the run game. But we saw in this game how Kyle has adjusted his run game to attack Fangio's (Staley's) scheme - inside zone and gap runs - basically between the tackles. Eli is such a smooth runner when he needs to be, and a tough runner in terms of yards after contact. He sure didn't look like a guy coming back from 8 weeks off. I remember thinking "why isn't CMC on the field?", then Eli runs it for 8 yards and it reminds me how good he is.
I know Banks has been a good pass protector, how well/consistent has he been with run blocking? Also, is Brendl as bad a run blocker as I think he is? I think he is easily the weak link, and it's a shame because Center is a valued position for Kyle on the OL.
It was nice seeing Ryans switch from playing man coverage in the first half on a number of downs to then only playing man in the second half when the 49ers blitzed. In the second half, Herbert became a checkdown QB and you showed how well the 49ers rallied to make the tackle. I also liked seeing the adjustment to Bosa. Too many times Bosa gets chipped by the RB. There were a number of downs in this game where Bosa would absorb the chip, then cover the RB to the flat. While this removes Bosa from the pass rush, it also removes a route runner (RB) from the play. There was one play where Bosa did this (cover the RB) and the 49ers blitzed Warner and another defender - it created a 2 on 1 (Warner + someone versus the RT). Warner came in unblocked and Herbert had to throw it incomplete.
Lots of success with Eli on inside zone. Had Lance been in, the threat of the QB keep would have really enhanced the run game. But we saw in this game how Kyle has adjusted his run game to attack Fangio's (Staley's) scheme - inside zone and gap runs - basically between the tackles. Eli is such a smooth runner when he needs to be, and a tough runner in terms of yards after contact. He sure didn't look like a guy coming back from 8 weeks off. I remember thinking "why isn't CMC on the field?", then Eli runs it for 8 yards and it reminds me how good he is.
I know Banks has been a good pass protector, how well/consistent has he been with run blocking? Also, is Brendl as bad a run blocker as I think he is? I think he is easily the weak link, and it's a shame because Center is a valued position for Kyle on the OL.
It was nice seeing Ryans switch from playing man coverage in the first half on a number of downs to then only playing man in the second half when the 49ers blitzed. In the second half, Herbert became a checkdown QB and you showed how well the 49ers rallied to make the tackle. I also liked seeing the adjustment to Bosa. Too many times Bosa gets chipped by the RB. There were a number of downs in this game where Bosa would absorb the chip, then cover the RB to the flat. While this removes Bosa from the pass rush, it also removes a route runner (RB) from the play. There was one play where Bosa did this (cover the RB) and the 49ers blitzed Warner and another defender - it created a 2 on 1 (Warner + someone versus the RT). Warner came in unblocked and Herbert had to throw it incomplete.