week 10 vs LA Chargers Coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

I'm going to need some stills for verification here.

So, for people who say, "if the run game is so complex it requires all 11 guys to precisely execute their job, that's not a good scheme".

I've spent the morning reading through 400 pages of nick Saban's spring install playbook from Alabama. He goes over cover-7(what Ryans calls "palms") a lot with multiple technique variations based off field or boundary side. They have multiple run fit calls depending on formation of the offense and call from the back end coverage alignment. They have check calls for motions of certain players. This all requires the defense to have precise execution.

They chart every play in practice. Did the D win or lose, who was responsible and why. For example: "Loss #43 coverage bust on a cover-2 matching zone" "#24 Red bust" which is a run fit bust.

They chart the D win% compared to the target line of 80%. I promise you Kyle Shanahan is doing the same thing.

This is a college scheme......college. No, Kyle's run scheme isn't "too complex" to be a good scheme. It's the NFL. Everything is super complex.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Exactly this.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

I was hoping by now, esp. after a bye-week, and full health, much of this would be cleaned up. Not yet. If the goal is Championship football, all of this needs to be cleaned up by the 4Q or it'll cost us again. These same issues cost us in both the Superbowl and NFCCG loss too.

We can't ever expect perfection but the theme of "shooting ourselves in the foot" remains AND we've yet to play one complete game with all three phases.

That's on the entire coaching staff, IMHO.

Agreed!! After watching the first couple of drives, I was saying we looked flat, out of position and just not ready for football. After bye, that is the last thing I expected. Imo that is 96.7% coaching, and 3.3% on the captains to get the team ready to play from the whistle. They turned it around, but it has been a recurring theme lately, start off slow and make it a game late in the 4th because of "shooting ourselves in the foot" excuse that comes up every week, and playing from behind.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, for people who say, "if the run game is so complex it requires all 11 guys to precisely execute their job, that's not a good scheme".

I've spent the morning reading through 400 pages of nick Saban's spring install playbook from Alabama. He goes over cover-7(what Ryans calls "palms") a lot with multiple technique variations based off field or boundary side. They have multiple run fit calls depending on formation of the offense and call from the back end coverage alignment. They have check calls for motions of certain players. This all requires the defense to have precise execution.

They chart every play in practice. Did the D win or lose, who was responsible and why. For example: "Loss #43 coverage bust on a cover-2 matching zone" "#24 Red bust" which is a run fit bust.

They chart the D win% compared to the target line of 80%. I promise you Kyle Shanahan is doing the same thing.

This is a college scheme......college. No, Kyle's run scheme isn't "too complex" to be a good scheme. It's the NFL. Everything is super complex.

Right. You are just showing how close we are to an explosive within the run scheme. Just one piece off each time. We're close. Super close to hitting some of these more often.

I don't remember how many we've had in the past with Breida, Mostert, Wilson, etc. over a full year...trying to get a better idea how many we can expect each year and when we see the most (4Q?). It would be nice to set up some realistic expectations.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

Just wait until Brunskill takes over for McGlinchey. And Trent Williams legally changes his name to Trent Billiams.

Originally posted by grapesofrathman:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

Just wait until Brunskill takes over for McGlinchey. And Trent Williams legally changes his name to Trent Billiams.

My comment section already blows up each time I mix up Ohmenihu and Drake Jackson, LOL. It'd be full of, "#60 is Brunskill NOT McGlinchey" LOL

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by grapesofrathman:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

Just wait until Brunskill takes over for McGlinchey. And Trent Williams legally changes his name to Trent Billiams.

My comment section already blows up each time I mix up Ohmenihu and Drake Jackson, LOL. It'd be full of, "#60 is Brunskill NOT McGlinchey" LOL

Haha. You would probably be better off just calling the number instead. I'm pretty bad with names myself.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

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Originally posted by NCommand:

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I would rather have a negative 3 yards on a 1st down run than an 8 yard sack. But maybe that is just me.

That's fair. Plus the holding penalty is 10 yards. That's stupid brutal. False start. We specialize in both (26 through 9 games).

Holding is called on both run and pass plays and so are false starts.

True. Illegal shifts/motions. Delay of game. Now I'm curious which would get called more. More penalties in run/pass? We'd be an interesting case study given we're as close to 50/50 as it gets.

I think you are just grasping at straws at this point. I am not saying we should run it 100% of the time on first down. Obviously we should be looking for a more balanced attack on 1st down since it is a neutral down as far as run and pass are concerned. I just had no issue with the run heavy gameplan against the worste run defense in the NFL. Did it work out in our favor in the first half? No. But we made up for it in the second half and dominated TOP and out gained the opponent by 150 yards.

Bingo. And be willing to shift if you see how a DC is hyper focused on stopping the run rather than just ride and die with the plan.

Kyle's First Down Run ratio

2022 - 37.8%
2021 - 34.9%
2020 - 28.9%
2019 - 36.0%
2018 - 28.4%
2017 - 27.1%

Kyle is a throw lean on first down and has been his entire tenure as an NFL playcaller

That's 8th most. That makes it still very predictable overall.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-first-down-pct

Each week you play a different opponent with different strengths and weaknesses so you game plan accordingly.

These numbers don't accurately reflect play callers tendencies because the play caller will at times use a higher or lower frequency of run plays on first down depending on an opponents strengths/weaknesses, weather/field conditions and ebb and flow of the game.

That's cute but it still isn't hard for a 5 year old to predict what Kyle wants to do on first downs.

8th, 6th, 2nd.

It's no secret.

But the stats that YOU YOURSELF provided don't support your narrative therefore it is a false narrative you are attempting to push.

It is OK to admit you were wrong here. It happens to the best if us.

What narrative? That Kyle has a tendency the opposite of McVay's tendency every single year?

You are deflecting...why is that? Because your stats don't support what you're trying to convey?

My stats are league rankings on who runs the most on first downs. 8th, 6th and 2nd most. That, my friend, is a tendency.

Why did we run 54% of the time on first down VS LAC yet we only ran 19% of the time on first down VS Atlanta?

Oh, now you're changing the topic. You!!! I see you.

Either way, if his tendency holds, he'll still end up at the top again overall.

I'm not disputing he does it every single game. In fact, like DL, I'd prefer he did it less myself. But I get why he does it. And yes, he can still have success with it even if a team knows its coming.

Where did I change the topic? There is a vast discrepancy between the run calls on first downs between the Chargers and Falcons games... why is that? I thought he was predictable.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, for people who say, "if the run game is so complex it requires all 11 guys to precisely execute their job, that's not a good scheme".

I've spent the morning reading through 400 pages of nick Saban's spring install playbook from Alabama. He goes over cover-7(what Ryans calls "palms") a lot with multiple technique variations based off field or boundary side. They have multiple run fit calls depending on formation of the offense and call from the back end coverage alignment. They have check calls for motions of certain players. This all requires the defense to have precise execution.

They chart every play in practice. Did the D win or lose, who was responsible and why. For example: "Loss #43 coverage bust on a cover-2 matching zone" "#24 Red bust" which is a run fit bust.

They chart the D win% compared to the target line of 80%. I promise you Kyle Shanahan is doing the same thing.

This is a college scheme......college. No, Kyle's run scheme isn't "too complex" to be a good scheme. It's the NFL. Everything is super complex.

The 49ers complete offense books on Amazon show how every run is adjusted for every team we play and every front we face. No doubt it's super complex with tons of tiny adjustments that make all
the difference.

That's how every competitive sport works at the elite levels. You're scheming and practicing to win tiny battles your opponents don't even know exist.

Run game explosives % and rushing TD scoring %.

2019- we were getting an explosive run on 3.2% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 4.6% rate.

2021- we were getting an explosive run on 2.4% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 4.4% rate.

2022- we are getting an explosive run on 3.6% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 3.6% rate.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

I'm going to need some stills for verification here.

https://gyazo.com/52a5fea510228c1ae15150fd7c4f8096

95 in the middle holding brendel so he can't move up.

https://gyazo.com/0487bce0f29a407b16027e6e4822b36c

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I'm kinda buzzing right now but 2:30 in this video of yours, you say banks made the mistake, but its not him its burford. I'm not sure if in the comments it was pointed out or not but you didnt mention it in the video so just pointing it out.

side note the last play you review, I feel like thats defensive holding? but wasn't called...so it seemed more of a FUDGE YOU REF than more of a Brendel whiff? thats just my two cents though.

but overall good stuff, seems to be pretty obvious Kyle's game plan was to attack the weakness of Chargers run defense which is the smart thing to do, 1-3 uncalled or misblocks and its whats going on with the offense lol....

son of a biscuit. Can't believe I mixed up Banks and Burford again....I recorded the audio before I went on Wayne's show and did it on his show too *facepalm*.

Yes, it is defensive holding but it's also a common way DT's try and limit the wide-zone. gotta get that guys hands off you in some way to where you either get that block or it makes that holding so obvious, you draw the penalty.

I'm going to need some stills for verification here.

https://gyazo.com/52a5fea510228c1ae15150fd7c4f8096

95 in the middle holding brendel so he can't move up.

https://gyazo.com/0487bce0f29a407b16027e6e4822b36c

Random is so jealous right now!

Run/pass splits in the redzone this season.

Passing- 21/33, 157 yards, 4.78 YPA, 9 TD's and 1 INT.

Rushing- 48 attempts, 113 yds, 2.35 YPC, 5 TD's and 1 fumble.

If going by TD's per attempt that would look like this. Passing scores a TD on 27% of attempts and rushing only scores on 10% of attempts in the redzone. It looks like the place we could afford to pass more would be in the redzone.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Run game explosives % and rushing TD scoring %.

2019- we were getting an explosive run on 3.2% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 4.6% rate.

2021- we were getting an explosive run on 2.4% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 4.4% rate.

2022- we are getting an explosive run on 3.6% of our attempts and scoring rushing TD's at a 3.6% rate.

Damn dude, nice deep dive. Do they define an explosive based on yards gained?

This could really help set up expectations per game/year.