Yes, guys gotta do their jobs. In our losses, it always seemed that somebody was asleep at the switch. Wondered if it was maybe young guys who weren't paying attention, or was it both youth and experienced guys making an error vs not paying attn? Since we have both youth and experience it probably is both, but is more obvious when a young guy screws up. DBs at start just looked unprepared vs LAC . Couple games ago, Big Trent fanned on a couple blocks. Pick a player and we see drops, muffed routes, missed blocks, fumbles, blown coverages, PI, offsides, etc, and you will see virtually everybody guilty of something, and that includes Jimmy.
I just don't recall this being an issue in years past where half way thru season we are still making rookies mistakes across the board. Against a WR like Kupp, sure , i get it. He can beat anybody. But at start of game, watching DBs get torched for first 3-4 minutes….that was painful to watch. And it isn't just one guy. It seems like different guys take turns at making mistakes, some very elemental.
How one explains that…IDK. And maybe it is more young guys make mistakes, but overall, at one time or another, everyone seems to be guilty of lack of concentration, or just missing assignments. Did we do this in yrs past, or am I just imagining that we are making more mistakes now than our teams in the past?
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Nov 16, 2022 at 9:14 AM
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Nov 16, 2022 at 9:22 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Nice work breaking down the missed blocks that could have resulted in larger gains. This is the game where I feel missing Lance showed in terms of what Kyle wanted to do versus the 1.5 gapping five man fronts, in the run game. While a lot of this is Fangio's scheme, Staley is the one that showed how it can have a lot of success versus many current NFL offenses (while he was with the Rams).
Lots of success with Eli on inside zone. Had Lance been in, the threat of the QB keep would have really enhanced the run game. But we saw in this game how Kyle has adjusted his run game to attack Fangio's (Staley's) scheme - inside zone and gap runs - basically between the tackles. Eli is such a smooth runner when he needs to be, and a tough runner in terms of yards after contact. He sure didn't look like a guy coming back from 8 weeks off. I remember thinking "why isn't CMC on the field?", then Eli runs it for 8 yards and it reminds me how good he is.
This is probably blasphemy at this point but, CMC isn't decisive enough on his zone runs.
Nov 16, 2022 at 9:36 AM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Nice work breaking down the missed blocks that could have resulted in larger gains. This is the game where I feel missing Lance showed in terms of what Kyle wanted to do versus the 1.5 gapping five man fronts, in the run game. While a lot of this is Fangio's scheme, Staley is the one that showed how it can have a lot of success versus many current NFL offenses (while he was with the Rams).
Lots of success with Eli on inside zone. Had Lance been in, the threat of the QB keep would have really enhanced the run game. But we saw in this game how Kyle has adjusted his run game to attack Fangio's (Staley's) scheme - inside zone and gap runs - basically between the tackles. Eli is such a smooth runner when he needs to be, and a tough runner in terms of yards after contact. He sure didn't look like a guy coming back from 8 weeks off. I remember thinking "why isn't CMC on the field?", then Eli runs it for 8 yards and it reminds me how good he is.
I know Banks has been a good pass protector, how well/consistent has he been with run blocking? Also, is Brendl as bad a run blocker as I think he is? I think he is easily the weak link, and it's a shame because Center is a valued position for Kyle on the OL.
It was nice seeing Ryans switch from playing man coverage in the first half on a number of downs to then only playing man in the second half when the 49ers blitzed. In the second half, Herbert became a checkdown QB and you showed how well the 49ers rallied to make the tackle. I also liked seeing the adjustment to Bosa. Too many times Bosa gets chipped by the RB. There were a number of downs in this game where Bosa would absorb the chip, then cover the RB to the flat. While this removes Bosa from the pass rush, it also removes a route runner (RB) from the play. There was one play where Bosa did this (cover the RB) and the 49ers blitzed Warner and another defender - it created a 2 on 1 (Warner + someone versus the RT). Warner came in unblocked and Herbert had to throw it incomplete.
RE Banks, I reached out to Jordan Elliot about this too cause I've seen exactly what you're saying. He's been real good in pass pro and lackluster in run blocking. Almost seem like the inverse of McGlinchey. Just Mike's issues are really easy to spot during a broadcast when he gets whooped in pass pro
Nov 16, 2022 at 9:56 AM
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Thank you sir. Always enjoyable to watch.
Nov 16, 2022 at 11:54 AM
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Nov 16, 2022 at 4:44 PM
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This is one way Ryans is having Bosa adjust to getting chip blocked by the RB - cover the RB and overload blitz that side of the OL. I thought it was Warner on the blitz, it's Shaair and Huf.
Nov 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM
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Thank you for the video, jonny.
The run game wasn't all bad in the first half. Mitchell had a 7 yard run on 1st & 10, a 7 yard run on 2nd & 10 and a 4 yard run on a 3rd & 1. I only counted 5 attempts for him in the first half though. So it looks like Kyle Shanahan did adjust and gave Mitchell 13 carries in the 2nd half.
The run game wasn't all bad in the first half. Mitchell had a 7 yard run on 1st & 10, a 7 yard run on 2nd & 10 and a 4 yard run on a 3rd & 1. I only counted 5 attempts for him in the first half though. So it looks like Kyle Shanahan did adjust and gave Mitchell 13 carries in the 2nd half.
Nov 16, 2022 at 5:05 PM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Thank you for the video, jonny.
The run game wasn't all bad in the first half. Mitchell had a 7 yard run on 1st & 10, a 7 yard run on 2nd & 10 and a 4 yard run on a 3rd & 1. I only counted 5 attempts for him in the first half though. So it looks like Kyle Shanahan did adjust and gave Mitchell 13 carries in the 2nd half.
Correct. It wasn't all bad but we could've got much, much more that first half if we execute. It was frustrating seeing how close we were. There were about 5-7 more plays like I showed that were one block away
Nov 16, 2022 at 5:06 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
This is one way Ryans is having Bosa adjust to getting chip blocked by the RB - cover the RB and overload blitz that side of the OL. I thought it was Warner on the blitz, it's Shaair and Huf.
thats a good observation.
Nov 16, 2022 at 5:18 PM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Thank you for the video, jonny.
The run game wasn't all bad in the first half. Mitchell had a 7 yard run on 1st & 10, a 7 yard run on 2nd & 10 and a 4 yard run on a 3rd & 1. I only counted 5 attempts for him in the first half though. So it looks like Kyle Shanahan did adjust and gave Mitchell 13 carries in the 2nd half.
Correct. It wasn't all bad but we could've got much, much more that first half if we execute. It was frustrating seeing how close we were. There were about 5-7 more plays like I showed that were one block away
Execution has been one of my biggest pet peeves this season. Do you think it is just a lack of focus by the players? Do you think it is a coaching point and can be fixed by such?
Nov 17, 2022 at 5:59 AM
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Execution has been one of my biggest pet peeves this season. Do you think it is just a lack of focus by the players? Do you think it is a coaching point and can be fixed by such?
Difficult question to answer. Finding the right combination of coaches and players can be difficult, and we've had quite a bit of turnover in both departments. It's not unreasonable to think we may have a chemistry hiccup somewhere along line.
but I agree wholeheartedly. We rarely have a drive with perfect execution. Penalties, drops, missed blocks, bad QB reads, silly playcalls etc… at least one gaff per drive.
and then when we do have great execution, we mess up the extra point or give up a 50 yard kickoff return.
it can be aggravating 🤣🤣
Nov 17, 2022 at 6:34 AM
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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Execution has been one of my biggest pet peeves this season. Do you think it is just a lack of focus by the players? Do you think it is a coaching point and can be fixed by such?
Difficult question to answer. Finding the right combination of coaches and players can be difficult, and we've had quite a bit of turnover in both departments. It's not unreasonable to think we may have a chemistry hiccup somewhere along line.
but I agree wholeheartedly. We rarely have a drive with perfect execution. Penalties, drops, missed blocks, bad QB reads, silly playcalls etc… at least one gaff per drive.
and then when we do have great execution, we mess up the extra point or give up a 50 yard kickoff return.
it can be aggravating 🤣🤣
Exactly this.
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner
I was hoping by now, esp. after a bye-week, and full health, much of this would be cleaned up. Not yet. If the goal is Championship football, all of this needs to be cleaned up by the 4Q or it'll cost us again. These same issues cost us in both the Superbowl and NFCCG loss too.
We can't ever expect perfection but the theme of "shooting ourselves in the foot" remains AND we've yet to play one complete game with all three phases.
That's on the entire coaching staff, IMHO.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 17, 2022 at 6:35 AM ]
Nov 17, 2022 at 8:28 AM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Execution has been one of my biggest pet peeves this season. Do you think it is just a lack of focus by the players? Do you think it is a coaching point and can be fixed by such?
Difficult question to answer. Finding the right combination of coaches and players can be difficult, and we've had quite a bit of turnover in both departments. It's not unreasonable to think we may have a chemistry hiccup somewhere along line.
but I agree wholeheartedly. We rarely have a drive with perfect execution. Penalties, drops, missed blocks, bad QB reads, silly playcalls etc… at least one gaff per drive.
and then when we do have great execution, we mess up the extra point or give up a 50 yard kickoff return.
it can be aggravating 🤣🤣
Exactly this.
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner
I was hoping by now, esp. after a bye-week, and full health, much of this would be cleaned up. Not yet. If the goal is Championship football, all of this needs to be cleaned up by the 4Q or it'll cost us again. These same issues cost us in both the Superbowl and NFCCG loss too.
We can't ever expect perfection but the theme of "shooting ourselves in the foot" remains AND we've yet to play one complete game with all three phases.
That's on the entire coaching staff, IMHO.
And the coaching staff saw a TON of turnover. I just want the team peaking at the right time. Ravens fans thought their team was cooked in both 2000 and 2012 with all their in-season stuff. The 2011 Giants were almost kept from the playoffs until Tom Coughlins now famous, "I love you guys" speech that turned their last 4 games and playoff run around. Peak at the right time.
Nov 17, 2022 at 9:19 AM
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Our offense is doing fine there is just a disconnect now between yards and points
Literally only 2-3 teams are moving the ball better than us right now the issue is we are right in the middle of the league in red zone TD%. Last year we were one of the highest so i have complete faith we can turn this around its just a matter of the new personnel clicking together which i think will happen as the season goes on.
My biggest worry is the dumb penalties we have like holding because a 10 yard penalty can kill a drive we have been lucky that we do convert some of those but these are penalties that have to be cleaned up and i think with a young OL these will happen.
Literally only 2-3 teams are moving the ball better than us right now the issue is we are right in the middle of the league in red zone TD%. Last year we were one of the highest so i have complete faith we can turn this around its just a matter of the new personnel clicking together which i think will happen as the season goes on.
My biggest worry is the dumb penalties we have like holding because a 10 yard penalty can kill a drive we have been lucky that we do convert some of those but these are penalties that have to be cleaned up and i think with a young OL these will happen.
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Nov 17, 2022 at 9:27 AM
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Execution has been one of my biggest pet peeves this season. Do you think it is just a lack of focus by the players? Do you think it is a coaching point and can be fixed by such?
Difficult question to answer. Finding the right combination of coaches and players can be difficult, and we've had quite a bit of turnover in both departments. It's not unreasonable to think we may have a chemistry hiccup somewhere along line.
but I agree wholeheartedly. We rarely have a drive with perfect execution. Penalties, drops, missed blocks, bad QB reads, silly playcalls etc… at least one gaff per drive.
and then when we do have great execution, we mess up the extra point or give up a 50 yard kickoff return.
it can be aggravating 🤣🤣
Exactly this.
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner
I was hoping by now, esp. after a bye-week, and full health, much of this would be cleaned up. Not yet. If the goal is Championship football, all of this needs to be cleaned up by the 4Q or it'll cost us again. These same issues cost us in both the Superbowl and NFCCG loss too.
We can't ever expect perfection but the theme of "shooting ourselves in the foot" remains AND we've yet to play one complete game with all three phases.
That's on the entire coaching staff, IMHO.
And the coaching staff saw a TON of turnover. I just want the team peaking at the right time. Ravens fans thought their team was cooked in both 2000 and 2012 with all their in-season stuff. The 2011 Giants were almost kept from the playoffs until Tom Coughlins now famous, "I love you guys" speech that turned their last 4 games and playoff run around. Peak at the right time.
It certainly did. My biggest concern coming into the season from an administrative perspective, was a full blown burnout from Kyle who tries to do everything. He had about 10 days of rest after a long post season run and then immediately had to hire and start training an entire new coaching staff. He's aged about 10 years so far.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 17, 2022 at 9:27 AM ]