week 10 vs LA Chargers Coaches Film Analysis

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Tonight at 4 PM PST I'm gonna be on Waynebreezies show and I'm gonna cover 4 big time misses in the run game. 3 could've been huge explosives for TD's on drives that ended in punts.

Right, let's blame the player execution on the field on KS's playcalling some more especially after a bye week hangover 🤣

Ummmmm I'm not blaming Kyle at all....

What do you think of Kyle's play designs; pass and run, playcalling sequence, philosophy, predictability, etc.? I know it is a loaded question but any feedback would be much appreciated.

I've just decided I'm gonna push out a shorter video tomorrow covering 3 big missed explosive runs. We had all the defenders accounted for, just missed blocks. Could've been 37-16, easily. I don't think play-calling is the issue.

Saw if Brendel picks up/doesn't whiff on 2 blocks, we get 145 more rushing yards and 2 TD's. Not even joking.

I do for the very reason you're highlighting...every single intricate part needs to be perfect in a run centric game plan like that or you end up down late in the 4Q and in many 3 and longs with no room for error for a W. And this is AFTER two weeks of preparation and coming in 24th in running DVOA. Meaning, you're playing to your weakness with a "no matter what" mentality. Could we have scored 30? Sure...if every little thing was perfectly executed. But that's not even remotely realistic.

It's not even if, "every little thing" is done perfectly. We're talking a wide zone that has been in the league for 30 years. Vince Lombardi was running zone blocks in the 60's with, 'do-dad' blocks. We're literally 2 Jake Brendel blocks away from huge explosives. It's there. I don't blame Kyle for going back to it, cause if you get those blocks you're off to the races.

We're in his 6th season, why should he abandon what he's built the team on for 6 years? That'd be like expecting Harbaugh to go to a spread passing team. We tried that in 2014 and it didn't work out well.

Right, BUT Brendel is part of why they were 24th in running DVOA to begin with. So why would you expect anything less? If it's not him, it's MM, or Deebo, or Kittle, TW, etc. missing an angle, getting blown back or completely whiffing.

It's the responsibility of the OC to know his teams strengths/weaknesses and cater to those.

Right now, this is not a strong running team. It's a team that's much better in pass protection with far more weapons than Kyle's had his entire career on one team.

PS: That doesn't mean you should fully abandon the run game and stop trying to hit explosives off it. Just better balance.

I think after Week 3 since we got CMC the running DVOA is actually in top 10 if not mistaken.

Having CMC and Eli is going to help a lot. Jeff Wilson is solid but he doesn't have the vision that Eli and CMC have. Those two will make the OL run blocking look better than they actually are.

Originally posted by picklejuice:

So, FYI I think it's around the 32 minute mark I go through a lot of the rules if palms/read-2 defense that we play a ton of, if you're interested.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

So, FYI I think it's around the 32 minute mark I go through a lot of the rules if palms/read-2 defense that we play a ton of, if you're interested.

Great talk, as always!
Congrats!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Tonight at 4 PM PST I'm gonna be on Waynebreezies show and I'm gonna cover 4 big time misses in the run game. 3 could've been huge explosives for TD's on drives that ended in punts.

Right, let's blame the player execution on the field on KS's playcalling some more especially after a bye week hangover 🤣

Ummmmm I'm not blaming Kyle at all....

What do you think of Kyle's play designs; pass and run, playcalling sequence, philosophy, predictability, etc.? I know it is a loaded question but any feedback would be much appreciated.

I've just decided I'm gonna push out a shorter video tomorrow covering 3 big missed explosive runs. We had all the defenders accounted for, just missed blocks. Could've been 37-16, easily. I don't think play-calling is the issue.

Saw if Brendel picks up/doesn't whiff on 2 blocks, we get 145 more rushing yards and 2 TD's. Not even joking.

I do for the very reason you're highlighting...every single intricate part needs to be perfect in a run centric game plan like that or you end up down late in the 4Q and in many 3 and longs with no room for error for a W. And this is AFTER two weeks of preparation and coming in 24th in running DVOA. Meaning, you're playing to your weakness with a "no matter what" mentality. Could we have scored 30? Sure...if every little thing was perfectly executed. But that's not even remotely realistic.

It's not even if, "every little thing" is done perfectly. We're talking a wide zone that has been in the league for 30 years. Vince Lombardi was running zone blocks in the 60's with, 'do-dad' blocks. We're literally 2 Jake Brendel blocks away from huge explosives. It's there. I don't blame Kyle for going back to it, cause if you get those blocks you're off to the races.

We're in his 6th season, why should he abandon what he's built the team on for 6 years? That'd be like expecting Harbaugh to go to a spread passing team. We tried that in 2014 and it didn't work out well.

Right, BUT Brendel is part of why they were 24th in running DVOA to begin with. So why would you expect anything less? If it's not him, it's MM, or Deebo, or Kittle, TW, etc. missing an angle, getting blown back or completely whiffing.

It's the responsibility of the OC to know his teams strengths/weaknesses and cater to those.

Right now, this is not a strong running team. It's a team that's much better in pass protection with far more weapons than Kyle's had his entire career on one team.

PS: That doesn't mean you should fully abandon the run game and stop trying to hit explosives off it. Just better balance.

I think after Week 3 since we got CMC the running DVOA is actually in top 10 if not mistaken.

Having CMC and Eli is going to help a lot. Jeff Wilson is solid but he doesn't have the vision that Eli and CMC have. Those two will make the OL run blocking look better than they actually are.

True, but Eli didn't play till last week. We've been improving since CMC came, even after he came Wilson was hitting big runs too so they have been improving.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right, BUT Brendel is part of why they were 24th in running DVOA to begin with. So why would you expect anything less? If it's not him, it's MM, or Deebo, or Kittle, TW, etc. missing an angle, getting blown back or completely whiffing.

It's the responsibility of the OC to know his teams strengths/weaknesses and cater to those.

Right now, this is not a strong running team. It's a team that's much better in pass protection with far more weapons than Kyle's had his entire career on one team.

PS: That doesn't mean you should fully abandon the run game and stop trying to hit explosives off it. Just better balance.

If you value Steve Young's opinion, the answer is that Shanahan doesn't trust Garoppolo.

5:37, heres a play I thought Jimmy should've gone to Deebo.

https://gyazo.com/fbb6f01fab3016f2e5cc60f4a6bc2b93

looks like if Jimmy hit Deebo here would've gone atleast 20+, maybe more if Deebo breaks the tackle.

https://gyazo.com/83d3cf91d9b19233e158a4e29272b910

Heres Jimmy looking straight at Deebo when he breaks, Safety in the middle has hips turns the other way when Deebo Breaks.

https://gyazo.com/20b3ce630944e40b9df089cdcca868a9

Deebo has a clear 1 yard of seperation and Jimmy has a big throwing lane, if Jimmy hits him in stride its a big gain.

Jimmy doesnt hit deebo, but later hits Jennings after he adjust his route and gets the 1st down, but heres where I felt it could've been a bigger play and one of the reasons Deebo looked invisible at times.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I do for the very reason you're highlighting...every single intricate part needs to be perfect in a run centric game plan like that or you end up down late in the 4Q and in many 3 and longs with no room for error for a W. And this is AFTER two weeks of preparation and coming in 24th in running DVOA. Meaning, you're playing to your weakness with a "no matter what" mentality. Could we have scored 30? Sure...if every little thing was perfectly executed. But that's not even remotely realistic.

Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I do for the very reason you're highlighting...every single intricate part needs to be perfect in a run centric game plan like that or you end up down late in the 4Q and in many 3 and longs with no room for error for a W. And this is AFTER two weeks of preparation and coming in 24th in running DVOA. Meaning, you're playing to your weakness with a "no matter what" mentality. Could we have scored 30? Sure...if every little thing was perfectly executed. But that's not even remotely realistic.

Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

I agree. Whether it is a pass play or a run play. The play still needs to be executed with a high level of precision and timing in order for it to be successful.

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

We're 2nd in the league in drop rate - does that mean we should stop passing too? I just don't agree that if there's failures in execution but the plays are there to be had you just garbage can them and go try something different. Especially when those plays, are the entire basis of the offense. Are we saying that Kyle should can the wide-zone stuff and become a spread passing team?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

Or the QB misses the open receiver or throws an innacurate pass. Or the receiver drops the pass.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Tonight at 4 PM PST I'm gonna be on Waynebreezies show and I'm gonna cover 4 big time misses in the run game. 3 could've been huge explosives for TD's on drives that ended in punts.

Right, let's blame the player execution on the field on KS's playcalling some more especially after a bye week hangover 🤣

Ummmmm I'm not blaming Kyle at all....

What do you think of Kyle's play designs; pass and run, playcalling sequence, philosophy, predictability, etc.? I know it is a loaded question but any feedback would be much appreciated.

I've just decided I'm gonna push out a shorter video tomorrow covering 3 big missed explosive runs. We had all the defenders accounted for, just missed blocks. Could've been 37-16, easily. I don't think play-calling is the issue.

Saw if Brendel picks up/doesn't whiff on 2 blocks, we get 145 more rushing yards and 2 TD's. Not even joking.

I do for the very reason you're highlighting...every single intricate part needs to be perfect in a run centric game plan like that or you end up down late in the 4Q and in many 3 and longs with no room for error for a W. And this is AFTER two weeks of preparation and coming in 24th in running DVOA. Meaning, you're playing to your weakness with a "no matter what" mentality. Could we have scored 30? Sure...if every little thing was perfectly executed. But that's not even remotely realistic.

It's not even if, "every little thing" is done perfectly. We're talking a wide zone that has been in the league for 30 years. Vince Lombardi was running zone blocks in the 60's with, 'do-dad' blocks. We're literally 2 Jake Brendel blocks away from huge explosives. It's there. I don't blame Kyle for going back to it, cause if you get those blocks you're off to the races.

We're in his 6th season, why should he abandon what he's built the team on for 6 years? That'd be like expecting Harbaugh to go to a spread passing team. We tried that in 2014 and it didn't work out well.

Right, BUT Brendel is part of why they were 24th in running DVOA to begin with. So why would you expect anything less? If it's not him, it's MM, or Deebo, or Kittle, TW, etc. missing an angle, getting blown back or completely whiffing.

It's the responsibility of the OC to know his teams strengths/weaknesses and cater to those.

Right now, this is not a strong running team. It's a team that's much better in pass protection with far more weapons than Kyle's had his entire career on one team.

PS: That doesn't mean you should fully abandon the run game and stop trying to hit explosives off it. Just better balance.

I think after Week 3 since we got CMC the running DVOA is actually in top 10 if not mistaken.

Having CMC and Eli is going to help a lot. Jeff Wilson is solid but he doesn't have the vision that Eli and CMC have. Those two will make the OL run blocking look better than they actually are.

I do believe it'll get better esp. with Mitchell back. But the original point was we didn't need to ride the running game as hard as we did (last game).

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

Or the QB misses the open receiver or throws an innacurate pass.

True.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

Or the QB misses the open receiver or throws an innacurate pass.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

Or the QB misses the open receiver or throws an innacurate pass.

True.

I tried to add the receiver dropping the pass before you quoted me.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by evil:
Be it a run or pass play, you are always one missed assignment/one players failed execution away from the playcall being unsuccessful.

One philosophy (pass to set up run vs run to set up pass) isn't easier to execute or comes with less risk of failure.

Not necessarily. A WR can win 1on1 or find a zone hole and that's that unless you're talking about PP and the guys blocking for him post catch for maximum YAC.

We're 2nd in the league in drop rate - does that mean we should stop passing too? I just don't agree that if there's failures in execution but the plays are there to be had you just garbage can them and go try something different. Especially when those plays, are the entire basis of the offense. Are we saying that Kyle should can the wide-zone stuff and become a spread passing team?

We are. And most lost points because of it. My original point is it didn't take long to see what was happening. We have the #1 DVOA passing game even with those drops and added CMC plus Deebo back and everyone is healthy. Pivot to the passing game, soften them up, spread them out with all our weapons, come back to the running game. Add some creativity after 2 weeks off. No need to abandon anything. There's no need to pound your head against a brick wall for 4Q anymore and eek out a W.