SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS vs NEW ORLEANS SAINTS - 2022 Game 11

Genius vs. Genius cometh

My Recap of the 49ers UGLY WIN over the Saints. Defense was phenomenal, while the Offense Struggled to get much going. Fred Warner was Elite yesterday, I was also impressed with Jordan Mason coming in and running well the end the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Genius vs. Genius cometh

LT Terron Armstead might not play he has a strained pectoralz

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Genius vs. Genius cometh

LT Terron Armstead might not play he has a strained pectoralz

That could help.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Genius vs. Genius cometh

LT Terron Armstead might not play he has a strained pectoralz

That could help.

There right tackle Austin Jackson was out at the end of there game. Not sure of the injury.

Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Anything over 3 seconds is on the QB imo.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Anything over 3 seconds is on the QB imo.

Well… NGS had him at 2.9 seconds on average, so he probably was holding it longer than 3 seconds on a lot of plays. The 2.9 seconds is notable because it's about .5 seconds longer than his season average.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

It's not about how long in terms of duration that he held the ball, it's about once the QB completes his dropback, can the QB take a couple hitch steps. If he can, then it's not on the pass protection - it's either good coverage, bad play calling, or not finding the open target.
I'm not doubting Jimmy got hit often, just felt there were a good handful of times where he was able to hitch and there was no one open.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Anything over 3 seconds is on the QB imo.

Well… NGS had him at 2.9 seconds on average, so he probably was holding it longer than 3 seconds on a lot of plays. The 2.9 seconds is notable because it's about .5 seconds longer than his season average.

Yes. At a 2.9 second average I would agree there were plays where he was holding it longer than 3 seconds. I was listening to John Chapman yesterday and he said that the saints clamped down on everything underneath and over the middle and that there were a few plays to be had deep outside the numbers that were missed. We will just have to wait until the all22 comes out.

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

That was the way I saw it as well. I'm looking forward to seeing the All-22 to see what the Saints were doing. Dennis Allen may not be a great HC but he does know defense. That showed yesterday.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Anything over 3 seconds is on the QB imo.

Well… NGS had him at 2.9 seconds on average, so he probably was holding it longer than 3 seconds on a lot of plays. The 2.9 seconds is notable because it's about .5 seconds longer than his season average.

Yes. At a 2.9 second average I would agree there were plays where he was holding it longer than 3 seconds. I was listening to John Chapman yesterday and he said that the saints clamped down on everything underneath and over the middle and that there were a few plays to be had deep outside the numbers that were missed. We will just have to wait until the all22 comes out.

IMO, Time To Throw is more a function of the play calling than it is pass protection. If the 49ers threw a bunch of quick screens, then the TTT will be short. If there are more 7 step timing throws, then TTT will be long. It's more about about once the QB completes his drop back (on 3/5/7 step timing dropbacks), does he have time to hitch twice, which means he's getting to his third progression, which then puts the focus on the play calling (bad play call versus coverage), WRs' ability to get open (can't separate versus man coverage), or QB's ability to find the open target.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

That was the way I saw it as well. I'm looking forward to seeing the All-22 to see what the Saints were doing. Dennis Allen may not be a great HC but he does know defense. That showed yesterday.

Same, I need to see the details, but generally speaking they stuffed the run and played the pass very well. We had to earn everything we got. Tip of the hat there. Maybe Trent needs to stop tipping plays!?! I joke, but it seems they did try to guess that at times. Also it looks like Kyle needed to keep Kittle in a lot again as well as the RB's.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by thl408:
Watching it live, it felt like there were many dropbacks where Jimmy had time in the pocket but couldn't find a target. I don't think the OL was bad, I think the Saints coverage was good. I gotta watch the tape.

i was at the game and the coverage was very good at least thats what it looked like but i also felt the OL wasnt great Jimmy got hit a lot and it wasnt like he was holding the ball for 4 seconds

Anything over 3 seconds is on the QB imo.

Well… NGS had him at 2.9 seconds on average, so he probably was holding it longer than 3 seconds on a lot of plays. The 2.9 seconds is notable because it's about .5 seconds longer than his season average.

Yes. At a 2.9 second average I would agree there were plays where he was holding it longer than 3 seconds. I was listening to John Chapman yesterday and he said that the saints clamped down on everything underneath and over the middle and that there were a few plays to be had deep outside the numbers that were missed. We will just have to wait until the all22 comes out.

The pocket was getting pinched more than in previous games. That took away the opportunity to step up into the throw. Numerous times Garoppolo was standing flat-footed or on his backfoot as the pocket closed around him. It's hard to make those deeper throws in those conditions.