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Originally posted by asvidzinski:
Great job as always, JD!
I learned a lot from thl, who is a monster too, waiting for the offseason coverages and concepts revamped post
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Originally posted by thl408:
The past two weeks could be a reason for some of the lapses in concentration and sloppiness. Traveling from CA to Denver to Mexico, coming home and dealing with Thanksgiving at home - good on them to grind out a win.
The play where Aiyuk missed the crackback. I think that's an adjustment by NO. When Trent pulls, the DE let's Trent pull and doesn't try to maintain the edge - he attacks the inside shoulder to blow up the play. Had the DE tried to maintain the edge, he gets cracked. Risky adjustment because if the DE misses Deebo, there's a convoy of blockers, but I think that was a schemed adjustment to blow up that play. Perhaps seeing Deebo in a split backfield tipped them off. Kind of eye opening to see CMC asked to lead block. Deebo also is asked to lead block on some plays. Not typical asking your star playmakers to lead block.
Nice highlighting of that Greenlaw pass defended versus the slot WR. That play was very well covered on both sides of the field. With all the Palms coverage (to get 4v3 and 3v2 to each side of the field) going on, offenses are starting to, and will more often start lining up 4x1 to overload one side of the field. KC is doing this and it's working, copycat league.
I'm voting for the next video to be about Ryans' defense. Perhaps highlight any differences between last year and this. One difference I've seen is more use of five man fronts versus run teams/downs. The wide9 has been pretty rigged the past few seasons with them always being in a four man front. Great video once again, jd.
Originally posted by thl408:
The past two weeks could be a reason for some of the lapses in concentration and sloppiness. Traveling from CA to Denver to Mexico, coming home and dealing with Thanksgiving at home - good on them to grind out a win.
The play where Aiyuk missed the crackback. I think that's an adjustment by NO. When Trent pulls, the DE let's Trent pull and doesn't try to maintain the edge - he attacks the inside shoulder to blow up the play. Had the DE tried to maintain the edge, he gets cracked. Risky adjustment because if the DE misses Deebo, there's a convoy of blockers, but I think that was a schemed adjustment to blow up that play. Perhaps seeing Deebo in a split backfield tipped them off. Kind of eye opening to see CMC asked to lead block. Deebo also is asked to lead block on some plays. Not typical asking your star playmakers to lead block.
Nice highlighting of that Greenlaw pass defended versus the slot WR. That play was very well covered on both sides of the field. With all the Palms coverage (to get 4v3 and 3v2 to each side of the field) going on, offenses are starting to, and will more often start lining up 4x1 to overload one side of the field. KC is doing this and it's working, copycat league.
I'm voting for the next video to be about Ryans' defense. Perhaps highlight any differences between last year and this. One difference I've seen is more use of five man fronts versus run teams/downs. The wide9 has been pretty rigged the past few seasons with them always being in a four man front. Great video once again, jd.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by thl408:
The past two weeks could be a reason for some of the lapses in concentration and sloppiness. Traveling from CA to Denver to Mexico, coming home and dealing with Thanksgiving at home - good on them to grind out a win.
The play where Aiyuk missed the crackback. I think that's an adjustment by NO. When Trent pulls, the DE let's Trent pull and doesn't try to maintain the edge - he attacks the inside shoulder to blow up the play. Had the DE tried to maintain the edge, he gets cracked. Risky adjustment because if the DE misses Deebo, there's a convoy of blockers, but I think that was a schemed adjustment to blow up that play. Perhaps seeing Deebo in a split backfield tipped them off. Kind of eye opening to see CMC asked to lead block. Deebo also is asked to lead block on some plays. Not typical asking your star playmakers to lead block.
Nice highlighting of that Greenlaw pass defended versus the slot WR. That play was very well covered on both sides of the field. With all the Palms coverage (to get 4v3 and 3v2 to each side of the field) going on, offenses are starting to, and will more often start lining up 4x1 to overload one side of the field. KC is doing this and it's working, copycat league.
I'm voting for the next video to be about Ryans' defense. Perhaps highlight any differences between last year and this. One difference I've seen is more use of five man fronts versus run teams/downs. The wide9 has been pretty rigged the past few seasons with them always being in a four man front. Great video once again, jd.
I wonder how much the last 2 weeks hurt them on sunday. Also by pulling out the win on an "easy prep" week will it significantly help them going against the dolphins?
And the Aiyuk-Williams play. Man if that is THE adjustment going forward. That swing/screen pass to CMC off of it will be brutal.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
You're editing it to say those things. They weren't related.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Right now, DeMeco Ryans is leading the vote count. It'll still include some Warner. There was one play against the Rams I'm still giddy on. They ran a Dagger concept and Warner played it perfectly. Like, it was crazy good coverage.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Right now, DeMeco Ryans is leading the vote count. It'll still include some Warner. There was one play against the Rams I'm still giddy on. They ran a Dagger concept and Warner played it perfectly. Like, it was crazy good coverage.
The Warner topic is good too. I don't know which play you are referring to, but there are many many plays where Warner adeptly covers downfield to force the QB to move off his read, hold the ball longer, and something good happens for the 49er defense. Warner gets nothing on the stat sheet, and worse, he isn't even on the TV screen (broadcast view) so his talent on the play isn't recognized. Perhaps mix in some Warner highlights but have the theme be about Ryans' defense?
Originally posted by thl408:
The Warner topic is good too. I don't know which play you are referring to, but there are many many plays where Warner adeptly covers downfield to force the QB to move off his read, hold the ball longer, and something good happens for the 49er defense. Warner gets nothing on the stat sheet, and worse, he isn't even on the TV screen (broadcast view) so his talent on the play isn't recognized. Perhaps mix in some Warner highlights but have the theme be about Ryans' defense?
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!
Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!
1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.
2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?
1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.
— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022
While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.
The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.
Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!
Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!
1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.
2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?
1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.
— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022
While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.
The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.
Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.
LOL. Messed up. I thought he nailed the explanation.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
We tries an in-game adjustment not long after this. Left the DE unblocked on a sweep a la what the Chiefs did against us but it got blowed up
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!
Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!
1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.
2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?
1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.
— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022
While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.
The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.
Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.
LOL. Messed up. I thought he nailed the explanation.
)Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.
I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/
Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.
I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/
Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.
That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.
I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/
Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.
That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around
I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.
