Week 12 vs NO Saints Coaches Film Analysis Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

I actually like the rotation at RG. I think Burford needs reps and Brunskill is better when he's not taking every snap. I don't think either of them should start full time. I'm probably in the minority on that though.

If anything they should let mckivitz start over MM.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

Burford usually gets more snaps by a small amount. I don't think I've ever seen a platoon at OL where they rotate within a game. Are they so equal in Foerster's eyes that he splits their snaps?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

I actually like the rotation at RG. I think Burford needs reps and Brunskill is better when he's not taking every snap. I don't think either of them should start full time. I'm probably in the minority on that though.

If anything they should let mckivitz start over MM.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

I actually like the rotation at RG. I think Burford needs reps and Brunskill is better when he's not taking every snap. I don't think either of them should start full time. I'm probably in the minority on that though.

If anything they should let mckivitz start over MM.

I can't say I've spotlighted either of them so I don't know who is more consistent/better. Maybe you are right in that both of them would struggle with a full load so keeping them fresh cuts down on bad reps that they might have if they were full time starters. Why not Brunskill at RT on some plays since they are open to platooning?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Our biggest issue in the redzone is that the run game hasn't been affective. We are averaging 2.6 YPC and have only scored 5 rushing TD's with our RB's this season.

I just watched last weeks breakdown about our oline and it reminded me just how much we need a solid center. The center position in this offense is so important to our whole scheme. And we have a below average one :/

Yes. I have seen Brendel whiff on quite a few of his run blocking assignments this season. Or he just gets out muscled.

That's an issue for the entire right side of the o line. The saints were tossing them around

I am not sure at this point why they don't just put Brunskill in at RG full time. Let Burford sit the rest of his rookie season and get ready to compete for the starting job again next season.

I actually like the rotation at RG. I think Burford needs reps and Brunskill is better when he's not taking every snap. I don't think either of them should start full time. I'm probably in the minority on that though.

If anything they should let mckivitz start over MM.

I can't say I've spotlighted either of them so I don't know who is more consistent/better. Maybe you are right in that both of them would struggle with a full load so keeping them fresh cuts down on bad reps that they might have if they were full time starters. Why not Brunskill at RT on some plays since they are open to platooning?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!

Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!

1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.

2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?

1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.

That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.

— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022

While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.

The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.

Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by asvidzinski:
Great job as always, JD!

I learned a lot from thl, who is a monster too, waiting for the offseason coverages and concepts revamped post

It'll be a good offseason project, and it's time to get updated with Kyle's plays with Jimmy, not Greg Roman's plays with Kap .

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!

Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!

1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.

2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?

1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.

That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.

— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022

While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.

The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.

Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.

bro what? lol. thl is SUPER knowledgeable on x's and o's like jonny.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!

Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!

1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.

2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?

1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.

That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.

— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022

While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.

The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.

Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.

bro what? lol. thl is SUPER knowledgeable on x's and o's like jonny.

I know, right?

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!

Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!

1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.

2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?

1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.

That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.

— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022

While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.

The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.

Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.

bro what? lol. thl is SUPER knowledgeable on x's and o's like jonny.

I know, right?

soooo you were being sarcastic? I couldn't tell

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Sweet!

Great to see that, yeah, the playcalling is there, but we do need to clean things up. I have some questions!

1- We were talking about it in one of the other threads... The redzone throw to Jennings, where CMC was uncovered. What was your take on that? It seemed like it was a good read from Jimmy, but he threw it behind Jennings instead of leading him to the pylon.
PRE-snap, it seemed like Aiyuk and CMC were covered on the left side, so that's why Jimmy looked to his right. POST-snap, we assumed CMC's man freelanced to go wherever Jimmy looked because the Saints rushed 5, and presumably would get it out quick... and that's why CMC was uncovered.

2- This week's sloppiness on offense is kind of understandable, as we had a weird practice week... but do you think this is cause for concern? The Arizona game, we were pretty clean, but the week prior to that, we were again sloppy. Is the offense too complex? I wonder if things should get dialed back a little bit. Or do you think we'll get things cleaned up in the next 6 weeks before playoffs start?

1. Since it's a lot to grab the screen shot and draw it up, Greg does a great job of explaining it here.

That seems to be the frontside of the progression. Kittle's release being a natural pick. Numbers look good given then concept. It's 3 on 2 and it's a quick throw. I'd like to think most would take that shot given that it's a pick play.

— Greg Panelli - Panelli Passing Academy (@Greg_Panelli) November 28, 2022

While you'd love for a QB to see busts every time, the side of the progression they read is based off the pre-snap look. CMC's side is a zone-beater and the Jennings side is a man-beater with the pick play so I have zero fault for Jimmy picking the Jennings side. Better throw and better route running - either one nets a TD. We did not do well with our pick/rub plays at all this week. Gotta run your defender into your rub action. You could tell the team got back at 6 AM Tuesday.

The issues in execution and complexity of the offense: No, I don't see any reason to change it. The fact is, every offense has ups and downs - even ones that have had an entire off-season together. I don't think we appreciate fully the massive turnover in the coaching staff and the changes on the offensive side. It feels like the team has been together for years. Jimmy, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, McG, Williams. But, the IOL is completely new. RB1 is new and Wilson got role-playing reps last season due to injury. Coaching staff has had massive turnover on the offensive side. All of this while your QB1 and RB1 this year didn't have an off-season with the team.

Thank you for the explanation on that play. What you stated is pretty much exactly what Thl said. Apparently, he isn't a reputable source on this site so they waited patiently to ask you about it.

bro what? lol. thl is SUPER knowledgeable on x's and o's like jonny.

I know, right?

soooo you were being sarcastic? I couldn't tell

When I said apparently, I was referring to what someone had said in another thread. My first 2 sentances I was being sincere.

Originally posted by jonnydel: