Red Zone Offense under Purdy?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

This. Your RedZone percentage is going to go down if your winning games because your more conservative in taking the points when your up vs down.

You also need to look at the play calling and offensive line penalties. How often does purdy actually get the chance with the ball in his hand to make a play with equal odds.

I think both early in games and in the RedZone they make him hand it off or throw short yardage (ie conservative).

How often has he failed on plays where they were no presunk via either bad runs on first and second down or offensive penalties?

I have not seen him fail often. In fact he's wayyyy better on broken plays than Jimmy was and wayyyy better at getting chunk yardage in general on plays he's given the opportunity.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

This. Your RedZone percentage is going to go down if your winning games because your more conservative in taking the points when your up vs down.

You also need to look at the play calling and offensive line penalties. How often does purdy actually get the chance with the ball in his hand to make a play with equal odds.

I think both early in games and in the RedZone they make him hand it off or throw short yardage (ie conservative).

How often has he failed on plays where they were no presunk via either bad runs on first and second down or offensive penalties?

I have not seen him fail often. In fact he's wayyyy better on broken plays than Jimmy was and wayyyy better at getting chunk yardage in general on plays he's given the opportunity.

We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

No less conservative because we were either already down or in one score games. Ie you let the QB throw more and end up coming away with more points.

So the percentage is going to be higher.

It's the same stupid argument NFL coaches use for the extra points vs 2 point conversion. Statistically it's already known you end up with more points on average going for 2. They still go for one most of the time unless they have too.

If the game is close or your losing your RedZone percentage is going to be higher in general. You pass the ball more going for tds. When your up you kick more fgs and run it more. Thus less points.

Same players on the same team things being equal.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

No less conservative because we were either already down or in one score games. Ie you let the QB throw more and end up coming away with more points.

So the percentage is going to be higher.

It's the same stupid argument NFL coaches use for the extra points vs 2 point conversion. Statistically it's already known you end up with more points on average going for 2. They still go for one most of the time unless they have too.

If the game is close or your losing your RedZone percentage is going to be higher in general. You pass the ball more going for tds. When your up you kick more fgs and run it more. Thus less points.

Same players on the same team things being equal.

We are not being conservative in the redzone. We have turned it over on a couple of INT's, we fumbled once, turned it over on downs numerous times and have settled for a whole lot of FG's. We lost the KC game specifically because we were 2 of 5 in the redzone that game. KC was scoring TD's and we were turning it over and settling for FG's.

One thing that drives me nuts about our offense over the past few years is how little we actually throw the ball into the endzone. Without truly knowing this for sure, I would be willing to bet we throw the ball into the endzone less than any team in the NFL.

Drives me crazy. When you throw the ball into the endzone, all that needs to be done to score a touchdown is catching the ball. In our typical offense we need to catch it, juke a defender/run a defender over, and then outrun the defense into the endzone.

Just throw it in the endzone!

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

You try playing with broken ribs.

I actually have broken ribs right now from mountain biking and I'm not gonna lie, I cannot even hug my kids without feeling pain. Cannot fathom how players can play with this kind of hurt!

it's called drugs! they get the good stuff

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

This. Your RedZone percentage is going to go down if your winning games because your more conservative in taking the points when your up vs down.

You also need to look at the play calling and offensive line penalties. How often does purdy actually get the chance with the ball in his hand to make a play with equal odds.

I think both early in games and in the RedZone they make him hand it off or throw short yardage (ie conservative).

How often has he failed on plays where they were no presunk via either bad runs on first and second down or offensive penalties?

I have not seen him fail often. In fact he's wayyyy better on broken plays than Jimmy was and wayyyy better at getting chunk yardage in general on plays he's given the opportunity.

We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

3 of those 4 loses were away, which you said away games weren't an issue

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

This. Your RedZone percentage is going to go down if your winning games because your more conservative in taking the points when your up vs down.

You also need to look at the play calling and offensive line penalties. How often does purdy actually get the chance with the ball in his hand to make a play with equal odds.

I think both early in games and in the RedZone they make him hand it off or throw short yardage (ie conservative).

How often has he failed on plays where they were no presunk via either bad runs on first and second down or offensive penalties?

I have not seen him fail often. In fact he's wayyyy better on broken plays than Jimmy was and wayyyy better at getting chunk yardage in general on plays he's given the opportunity.

We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

3 of those 4 loses were away, which you said away games weren't an issue

Overall they haven't been.

CHI- 1 of 3
DEN- 1 of 1
ATL- 2 of 3
KC- 2 of 5

The CHI game was the only away loss that we weren't very good in the redzone. The DEN game we could barely even get into the redzone.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

This. Your RedZone percentage is going to go down if your winning games because your more conservative in taking the points when your up vs down.

You also need to look at the play calling and offensive line penalties. How often does purdy actually get the chance with the ball in his hand to make a play with equal odds.

I think both early in games and in the RedZone they make him hand it off or throw short yardage (ie conservative).

How often has he failed on plays where they were no presunk via either bad runs on first and second down or offensive penalties?

I have not seen him fail often. In fact he's wayyyy better on broken plays than Jimmy was and wayyyy better at getting chunk yardage in general on plays he's given the opportunity.

We went 6 of 12 in the redzone in our 4 losses. Were we being conservative in those games as well?

Penalties haven't been an issue in the redzone.

3 of those 4 loses were away, which you said away games weren't an issue

Overall they haven't been.

CHI- 1 of 3
DEN- 1 of 1
ATL- 2 of 3
KC- 2 of 5

The CHI game was the only away loss that we weren't very good in the redzone. The DEN game we could barely even get into the redzone.

so there's no reason to include those 3 loses then. either way, in all the loses we've had it wasn't the best QB play and even worse in the KC game.

If kicking FG in the RZ is the only points we can muster up, then you have the stats. But this offense is running better than it has in a long time.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

The redzone offense has been exactly the same as it has been all season.

Do you have statistics on this? Based on watching the games and memory only, it appeared that our redzone play was much better than its been all season against the Dolphins, Seahawks and Bucs....and much worse than its been all season against the Redskins.

Do you have the stats on this to see if the above is accurate or not?

We are 26 of 51 in the redzone this season. In the last 4 games we are as follows:

MIA- 2 of 5
TB- 2 of 3
SEA - 1 of 2
WAS- 1 of 5

one thing to look at is 3 of the those RZ oppt vs WASH, we were already up at least two scores about to put 30 on them late in the game.. We don't run up scores on teams from looking at Kyle's 49er history

Yet he plays all his starters well into garbage time for fear of a late comeback.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
One thing that drives me nuts about our offense over the past few years is how little we actually throw the ball into the endzone. Without truly knowing this for sure, I would be willing to bet we throw the ball into the endzone less than any team in the NFL.

Drives me crazy. When you throw the ball into the endzone, all that needs to be done to score a touchdown is catching the ball. In our typical offense we need to catch it, juke a defender/run a defender over, and then outrun the defense into the endzone.

Just throw it in the endzone!

Over the past few years though, Jimmy's ball security was always a concern and our strengths have been to run the ball, and rely on the defense. That's why we've run it more.

Red zone percentage was really good last year, I assume because of Deebo, but with outside zone being weaker this year, teams selling out to stop Deebo… It's unsurprising why we've struggled in the redzone this year.

I feel Shanahan hasn't quite figured out a wrinkle for the redzone… I generally say that it feels like he tries pick plays that have had mild success. Feels like Aiyuk can cook defenders in one on one coverage… I think we'll eventually figure it out though.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
One thing that drives me nuts about our offense over the past few years is how little we actually throw the ball into the endzone. Without truly knowing this for sure, I would be willing to bet we throw the ball into the endzone less than any team in the NFL.

Drives me crazy. When you throw the ball into the endzone, all that needs to be done to score a touchdown is catching the ball. In our typical offense we need to catch it, juke a defender/run a defender over, and then outrun the defense into the endzone.

Just throw it in the endzone!

Over the past few years though, Jimmy's ball security was always a concern and our strengths have been to run the ball, and rely on the defense. That's why we've run it more.

Red zone percentage was really good last year, I assume because of Deebo, but with outside zone being weaker this year, teams selling out to stop Deebo… It's unsurprising why we've struggled in the redzone this year.

I feel Shanahan hasn't quite figured out a wrinkle for the redzone… I generally say that it feels like he tries pick plays that have had mild success. Feels like Aiyuk can cook defenders in one on one coverage… I think we'll eventually figure it out though.

Agree with you both here.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by NINERFORLIFE12:
First, big fan of Purdy, and we are firing on most cylinders right now as a team. I am curious to know what the RZ Offense compares under Purdy? McG is a bumb and he screws us all the time, but imo we could have probably hung 50 on them.

You try playing with broken ribs.

Broken ribs are a weird reason to have mental mistakes. I swear McGlinchey always has an excuse cooked up whenever he struggles.

hes quietly having a good season lol

purdy throws back shoulder pretty well, they should implement that in the rz offense now