Are Wins a QB stat?

Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

Is QBR a stat?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

finally, some sense !

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

finally, some sense !

No player can get any stat without their teammates. So I guess we should get rid of all of them.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

Is QBR a stat?

Different things can be stats. But when there's an obvious falsehood made in quoting stats,...it's good to be pointed out. That's all.

Correct the # of wins if off,...or the # of losses,...or the actual winner and loser of the matchup. No issues here aside from the ones you want to create.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

Is QBR a stat?

Different things can be stats. But when there's an obvious falsehood made in quoting stats,...it's good to be pointed out. That's all.

Correct the # of wins if off,...or the # of losses,...or the actual winner and loser of the matchup. No issues here aside from the ones you want to create.

No one has ever said that the merits of QB W/L record (or any stat for that matter) can't be argued. Simply saying "________ just wins games" is lazy without additional context. But it's equally lazy to say "_________ gets carried and it's the team that wins."

Regardless of the above, QB W/L is still a stat as recognized the NFL and national sports media that references it constantly. To try and deny that it is a QB stat is among the dumbest arguments I've ever read on here. It is unequivocally a QB stat. Is it the best stat to gauge how good a QB is? No. Can it be used by itself to gauge whether a QB is good or bad? No. But it's still a QB stat.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Stay on topic? You're the one stuck on QBR digression tactic this whole time and now you're at it again with this stats are not stats bs. I never said that.

Why would the nfl not add wins to their actual stats site if they they truly recognize it ? maybe they don't have someone who knows how to configure a website?

why make it downloadable and not just a regular site to view the entire info… because it's just fun kiddie stuff

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Stay on topic? You're the one stuck on QBR digression tactic this whole time and now you're at it again with this stats are not stats bs. I never said that.

Why would the nfl not add wins to their actual stats site if they they truly recognize it ? maybe they don't have someone who knows how to configure a website?

why make it downloadable and not just a regular site to view the entire info… because it's just fun kiddie stuff

Dude seriously? Go look how long that NFL record book is, it's like 900 pages. They can't fit that neatly on one page for each position. Terrible argument.

And YOU are the main person bringing up NFL com as the standard. Yet you cite QBR constantly when discussing QB play. That's hypocritical.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocritical

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Stay on topic? You're the one stuck on QBR digression tactic this whole time and now you're at it again with this stats are not stats bs. I never said that.

Why would the nfl not add wins to their actual stats site if they they truly recognize it ? maybe they don't have someone who knows how to configure a website?

why make it downloadable and not just a regular site to view the entire info… because it's just fun kiddie stuff

Dude seriously? Go look how long that NFL record book is, it's like 900 pages. They can't fit that neatly on one page for each position. Terrible argument.

And YOU are the main person bringing up NFL com as the standard. Yet you cite QBR constantly when discussing QB play. That's hypocritical.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocritical

there you go lying and digressing again. i don't cite QBR for anything or do it constantly.. thats you keep bringing it up because you can't comprehend what i said.

So the perpetual growth on every player and new players stats won't be 900 pages long if you took all that info from the actual NFL.com stat site... I mean the same player and numbers are already on the NFL.com site?.. you think the NFL is unable to add a simple W/L record to the QB stats ? man you really don't know how sites and info work.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Stay on topic? You're the one stuck on QBR digression tactic this whole time and now you're at it again with this stats are not stats bs. I never said that.

Why would the nfl not add wins to their actual stats site if they they truly recognize it ? maybe they don't have someone who knows how to configure a website?

why make it downloadable and not just a regular site to view the entire info… because it's just fun kiddie stuff

Dude seriously? Go look how long that NFL record book is, it's like 900 pages. They can't fit that neatly on one page for each position. Terrible argument.

And YOU are the main person bringing up NFL com as the standard. Yet you cite QBR constantly when discussing QB play. That's hypocritical.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocritical

there you go lying and digressing again. i don't cite QBR for anything or do it constantly.. thats you keep bringing it up because you can't comprehend what i said.

So the perpetual growth on every player and new players stats won't be 900 pages long if you took all that info from the actual NFL.com stat site... I mean the same player and numbers are already on the NFL.com site?.. you think the NFL is unable to add a simple W/L record to the QB stats ? man you really don't know how sites and info work.

Do multiple people have access to your account? Only logical explanation I can think of for how often your argument changes and how different they are each time.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now

DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Page 302
https://operations.nfl.com/media/6101/2022-record-and-fact-book.pdf

This is https://www.nfl.com/

not some fun facts and learn about football, you should print that out and grab some crayons lol

It's the official NFL record book. I don't see QBR though. Weird.

Thats bc it's an ESPN stat lol.

So again, only stats that the NFL recognizes are real stats?

Why would someone else's stats be official NFL stats?

Heck , Jed has a win/loss record if you can find the right site

Stay on topic (for once). The discussion is whether QB W/L record is a QB stat. Various standards are being thrown out but the one I keep hearing is whether the NFL recognizes it. In the case of QB W/L records, the NFL does recognize it. So that should be the end of the discussion, right?

I actually don't necessarily agree with that, and think that stats like QBR, air yards, etc. are indeed "stats" even though the NFL doesn't recognize them. Again, no singular stat is the "be all end all" which is what it seems many are trying to argue here. They all can contribute to a discussion about a player.

As far as owners, what better way would you compare the success of owners to one another than by their W/L record, number of Super Bowls won, etc?

Stay on topic? You're the one stuck on QBR digression tactic this whole time and now you're at it again with this stats are not stats bs. I never said that.

Why would the nfl not add wins to their actual stats site if they they truly recognize it ? maybe they don't have someone who knows how to configure a website?

why make it downloadable and not just a regular site to view the entire info… because it's just fun kiddie stuff

Dude seriously? Go look how long that NFL record book is, it's like 900 pages. They can't fit that neatly on one page for each position. Terrible argument.

And YOU are the main person bringing up NFL com as the standard. Yet you cite QBR constantly when discussing QB play. That's hypocritical.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocritical

there you go lying and digressing again. i don't cite QBR for anything or do it constantly.. thats you keep bringing it up because you can't comprehend what i said.

So the perpetual growth on every player and new players stats won't be 900 pages long if you took all that info from the actual NFL.com stat site... I mean the same player and numbers are already on the NFL.com site?.. you think the NFL is unable to add a simple W/L record to the QB stats ? man you really don't know how sites and info work.

Do multiple people have access to your account? Only logical explanation I can think of for how often your argument changes and how different they are each time.

ah every time you lose, you start this crap.. lol

you really do have a comprehension issues.