Are Wins a QB stat?

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
would be really funny to see grown men arguing about this back and forth at a 49er tailgate before a game

If they're face to face they can go toe-to-toe until the last man is left standing. Let mortal combat decide who is right.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does the team get the stat, or the qb?
According to the NFL stat section, there's no stat for qb wins. That kind of answers the question. Wins are a team function. No matter if your qb is Mahomes or Zack Wilson, they require the rest of the team to win. They can't do it alone.

Makes sense, especially if your qb is Jimmy g. I don't think I have ever seen him put a team on his back and win. Definitely a team stat.

There's a video on YouTube of all of Jimmy's comeback and game winning drives with the niners. It's 20-25 minutes long.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
would be really funny to see grown men arguing about this back and forth at a 49er tailgate before a game

Lol I see it lasting 5 minutes at a tg..then they get the cooler, clink beers and have a truce. End up hugging after getting drunk..cheering, "Let's go Niners!"

The Webzone Tailgate Rule is that s**t on the Zone DOES NOT spill over into real life.

Been that way for about 20 years.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Using StatMuse to make your argument

It literally answers the question in the manner in which you search:

"Tom Brady has the most career wins by a quarterback, with 251 wins."
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=most+qb+wins+all-time

I didnt use StatMuse at all.

It's his record as a starter. He doesn't have a W/L record on his own because he's not an entire team.

Even in his 4th quarter comebacks,...he's never "won a game." People will say that rhetorically. They'll even feel that way, sure, but it's never happened.

Why point that out? Because the rhetoric gets carried away here, and you know this. I'm sure it won you over for extended periods as well,...which is why you loved Jimmy so much and didn't think we could do much better @ the QB position.

But StatMuse is not the topic. The topic is the fact that no single players have Win/Loss records in the NFL. Only teams do.

You can quote whatever site you want to that shows it as such,...but so long as I then check the archives of the games and see that 10 other guys was in fact on the field with him for every play,...it goes in the trash.

You see,...it's not at all about the site and its "respectability" and "reliability." It's about the truth,...you know...what really happened in real life? That stuff.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Using StatMuse to make your argument

It literally answers the question in the manner in which you search:

"Tom Brady has the most career wins by a quarterback, with 251 wins."
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=most+qb+wins+all-time

I didnt use StatMuse at all.

It's his record as a starter. He doesn't have a W/L record on his own because he's not an entire team.

Even in his 4th quarter comebacks,...he's never "won a game." People will say that rhetorically. They'll even feel that way, sure, but it's never happened.

Why point that out? Because the rhetoric gets carried away here, and you know this. I'm sure it won you over for extended periods as well,...which is why you loved Jimmy so much and didn't think we could do much better @ the QB position.

But StatMuse is not the topic. The topic is the fact that no single players have Win/Loss records in the NFL. Only teams do.

You can quote whatever site you want to that shows it as such,...but so long as I then check the archives of the games and see that 10 other guys was in fact on the field with him for every play,...it goes in the trash.

You see,...it's not at all about the site and its "respectability" and "reliability." It's about the truth,...you know...what really happened in real life? That stuff.

The still image you posted is from StatMuse. Comedy, bro. And you're stating the obvious over and over, it's a team sport. Duh. QB's still get credit for wins. I understand that triggers you and a few others, but your emotions are irrelevant.

Really people? 12 pages?

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Really people? 12 pages?

It's in the freaking NFL record book. Nothing to even debate. Lol

They even qualified it for Random.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
would be really funny to see grown men arguing about this back and forth at a 49er tailgate before a game

Lol I see it lasting 5 minutes at a tg..then they get the cooler, clink beers and have a truce. End up hugging after getting drunk..cheering, "Let's go Niners!"

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Really people? 12 pages?

It's in the freaking NFL record book. Nothing to even debate. Lol

Record book vs statistics

there is a difference and it's why it not a stat on NFL.com

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Really people? 12 pages?

It's in the freaking NFL record book. Nothing to even debate. Lol

Record book vs statistics

there is a difference and it's why it not a stat on NFL.com

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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Really people? 12 pages?

It's in the freaking NFL record book. Nothing to even debate. Lol

Record book vs statistics

there is a difference and it's why it not a stat on NFL.com

Please pin this comment to appear at the top of every page of this thread

Yes, to show your ignorance

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Using StatMuse to make your argument

It literally answers the question in the manner in which you search:

"Tom Brady has the most career wins by a quarterback, with 251 wins."
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=most+qb+wins+all-time

I didnt use StatMuse at all.

It's his record as a starter. He doesn't have a W/L record on his own because he's not an entire team.

Even in his 4th quarter comebacks,...he's never "won a game." People will say that rhetorically. They'll even feel that way, sure, but it's never happened.

Why point that out? Because the rhetoric gets carried away here, and you know this. I'm sure it won you over for extended periods as well,...which is why you loved Jimmy so much and didn't think we could do much better @ the QB position.

But StatMuse is not the topic. The topic is the fact that no single players have Win/Loss records in the NFL. Only teams do.

You can quote whatever site you want to that shows it as such,...but so long as I then check the archives of the games and see that 10 other guys was in fact on the field with him for every play,...it goes in the trash.

You see,...it's not at all about the site and its "respectability" and "reliability." It's about the truth,...you know...what really happened in real life? That stuff.

The still image you posted is from StatMuse. Comedy, bro. And you're stating the obvious over and over, it's a team sport. Duh. QB's still get credit for wins. I understand that triggers you and a few others, but your emotions are irrelevant.

It doesn't matter that it's StatMuse. What matters is the 1+1 ='s 2 common sense that you obviously try to avoid.

Just speak the truth?

Wins as a Starting QB is the stat that's actually recorded and referred to (unlike the one that's often said as a lie) and is the reality of what happens,...it just doesn't sound as "heroic" and "amazing" for a favorite player of yours like Jimmy.

So I know it's kind of a kill joy, but it's the truth. StatMuse has nothing to do with the sentence above, so trying to break off onto some irrelevant tangent about the site is not going to work.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Using StatMuse to make your argument

It literally answers the question in the manner in which you search:

"Tom Brady has the most career wins by a quarterback, with 251 wins."
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=most+qb+wins+all-time

I didnt use StatMuse at all.

It's his record as a starter. He doesn't have a W/L record on his own because he's not an entire team.

Even in his 4th quarter comebacks,...he's never "won a game." People will say that rhetorically. They'll even feel that way, sure, but it's never happened.

Why point that out? Because the rhetoric gets carried away here, and you know this. I'm sure it won you over for extended periods as well,...which is why you loved Jimmy so much and didn't think we could do much better @ the QB position.

But StatMuse is not the topic. The topic is the fact that no single players have Win/Loss records in the NFL. Only teams do.

You can quote whatever site you want to that shows it as such,...but so long as I then check the archives of the games and see that 10 other guys was in fact on the field with him for every play,...it goes in the trash.

You see,...it's not at all about the site and its "respectability" and "reliability." It's about the truth,...you know...what really happened in real life? That stuff.

The still image you posted is from StatMuse. Comedy, bro. And you're stating the obvious over and over, it's a team sport. Duh. QB's still get credit for wins. I understand that triggers you and a few others, but your emotions are irrelevant.

It doesn't matter that it's StatMuse. What matters is the 1+1 ='s 2 common sense that you obviously try to avoid.

Just speak the truth?

Wins as a Starting QB is the stat that's actually recorded and referred to (unlike the one that's often said as a lie) and is the reality of what happens,...it just doesn't sound as "heroic" and "amazing" for a favorite player of yours like Jimmy.

So I know it's kind of a kill joy, but it's the truth. StatMuse has nothing to do with the sentence above, so trying to break off onto some irrelevant tangent about the site is not going to work.

So now you admit it's StatMuse? Good. StatMuse answers your question the way that you ask it. So when you skewed your question to include "as a starter," that's how it answered it. Your bias is very clear.

Yes, WE ALL KNOW it's wins as a starting QB. Duh. No one is arguing that we should gives wins to a QB who doesn't start. Yes we all know that in very rare circumstances, the starting QB gets injured, but the team still wins the game, and the starting QB gets credited with the win. Those very rare situations do not invalidate it as a stat.

No clue what you're even trying to argue at this point. QB W/L record IS a stat. The NFL records it and it's in their record book. Denying it is word at this point. Again, we can argue how much QB W/L record tells the story of how good a QB is, that's fine. But it's undoubtedly a legitimate stat.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So now you admit it's StatMuse? Good.

The moment you try to talk about certain sites is the moment the rest gets cut off (for me).

Not going to argue about sites and avoid reality. "Jimmy won 44 games and only lost 17" or whatever ignorant rhetoric is what has been outlined as a blatant falsehood,... while saying things like "Jimmy's teams have been 44 and 17 with him at the helm" have been happily welcomed to the table.

100% truthful and factual (if the numbers lined up), just not as sexy as the false quoting you love.