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Jan 19, 2023 at 11:20 PM

DonnieDarko
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Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

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Jan 20, 2023 at 1:45 PM

CatchMaster80
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Yes if you have a QB that makes plays that shouldn't be possible and continually brings the team back when they're down. It's a QB sense in that he's considered the leader since he handles every snap. If he hands off or never throws a pass longer than 5 yards it's hard to give the win to the QB.

It's a team stat and always will be for 99% of the teams.

Jan 20, 2023 at 1:46 PM

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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

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DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

Jan 20, 2023 at 1:49 PM

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

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DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

Jimmy Garoppolo has the 6th highest QB rating of all-time. Perhaps no single stat works by itself, but rather helps tell the full "story" about a QB (or any player)?

Jan 20, 2023 at 1:50 PM

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Highly correlated, so I vote yes.

Jan 20, 2023 at 1:52 PM

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mattster03
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Similar to baseball pitchers

Jan 20, 2023 at 1:53 PM

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49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

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DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:00 PM

#98

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

Jimmy Garoppolo has the 6th highest QB rating of all-time. Perhaps no single stat works by itself, but rather helps tell the full "story" about a QB (or any player)?

While ratings help, they don't tell the whole story

6th highest, but can't make a probowls, all pros, can't be top of the league in any stats that don't have a % sign. Only loved by locals. and a lot of other stuff that kept him from being a good QB

The only thing that saving anyone from falling off that cliff is the debated W/L record.

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:02 PM

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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.

like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:04 PM

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Furlow
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.
like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:11 PM

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TheWooLick
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by boast:
i believe the debate was "are Wins a QB stat"

the NFL record book appears to prove that they are a QB stat.

Thanks, edited.

If we acknowledge they are an official stat kept by the NFL why is this even an open question for debate? It's settled.
a coffee table book is not official. if it was official it would be on the site..there is a reason why they don't include it

a coffee table book hahahahah. it's a PDF. the NFL made it easily searchable posting it that way.

and it's on the NFL site. and even more specifically it's the operations.nfl.com site.

https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-game/2022-nfl-record-and-fact-book/
it's a kids book.. there is a reason why you have to download it . parody

you really have no idea what youre talking about. it's downloadable because it's over 700 pages.
no idea about what.. your statement doesn't help you one bit

you cant even keep your opinion straight. first it was coffee table book then it was a kids book. youve lost the plot completely.
this maybe be the most ignorant post here, since when is giving multiple descriptions make it any less lol

the irony of calling someone else's post ignorant.

Never give up on a point club Founding member.

[ Edited by TheWooLick on Jan 20, 2023 at 2:11 PM ]

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM

#102

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.
like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

This is why QB thread get locked. You brought up Jimmy out of nowhere for no reason.

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:13 PM

#103

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.
like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

Jimmy LIVES in your dome lol. He was talking about Dan Marino.

This isn't about Jimmy. I made that point to show that stats collectively tell the story, not by themselves individually. Jimmy being the 6th highest rated passer of all-time does not mean he's the 6th best or even close. Nor does wins. But W/L is still a QB stat no matter how you slice it. Per NFL.com too.

where on NFL.com ?

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:14 PM

#104

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.
like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

This is why QB thread get locked. You brought up Jimmy out of nowhere for no reason.

lol, this thread is about jimmy or there wouldn't be a need to make this thread.

Jan 20, 2023 at 2:17 PM

#105

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Marino was awesome, his teams weren't

end of story

can lock thread now
DM SB record 0-1, He's def not successful

He ranks top 10 in QB wins and his percentage is better than Brees. Even looking only at wins.. which I don't recommend.. he's still highly successful.
like i said calling Jimmy successful is an opinion

This is why QB thread get locked. You brought up Jimmy out of nowhere for no reason.
lol, this thread is about jimmy or there wouldn't be a need to make this thread.

This thread came put of the Brock thread, people were commenting about how wins are meaningless when Brock's record was brought up.