Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:https://mobile.twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1617589964816134144
Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
Hey guys, I'm going back and forth with a Cowboy fan acquaintance on social media.
You know, excuse city. Anyway, he sent a link to a casual fan observation that on Kittle's bobble catch play, he was an ineligible receiver because he was "covered up" by the FB on the LOS, kittle being lined up on the LOS.
I'm vaguely familiar with eligibility rules, but I don't know about this one. Then I saw Kittle's presser where he said "Yea, I wasn't even a read on the play," implying the coaching staff knew by his alignment he was ineligible—they didn't have him as a read by design.
Does anyone have any input on this?
He was eligible. He wasn't covering(lined up next to) a lineman, it was juice inside of him. Making him eligible.
Thanks all for the responses, which echo my sentiments exactly. I took all those routes with him, yea we cheated, enjoy the L, etc.
I'm not here to argue but looking at the play, juice was outside Kittle, off the LOS. Kittle was next to Williams, appearing to be on the LOS. Juice was outside of him, and back about a half yard. If that's the case, is Kittle ineligible?
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Jan 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM
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Jan 27, 2023 at 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:he wasn't covered up at the LOS, Juice was not at the LOS.
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
Hey guys, I'm going back and forth with a Cowboy fan acquaintance on social media.
You know, excuse city. Anyway, he sent a link to a casual fan observation that on Kittle's bobble catch play, he was an ineligible receiver because he was "covered up" by the FB on the LOS, kittle being lined up on the LOS.
I'm vaguely familiar with eligibility rules, but I don't know about this one. Then I saw Kittle's presser where he said "Yea, I wasn't even a read on the play," implying the coaching staff knew by his alignment he was ineligible—they didn't have him as a read by design.
Does anyone have any input on this?
You can go through plenty of plays and find penalties that aren't called. Illegal contact, holding, etc. If Kittle was defended like the defense thought he was ineligible I'd say yeah that was a missed call but they defended him and our guy made a play so enjoy the L and the off-season.
Just cause he was last on progressions and not expecting it doesn't mean anything.
Jan 27, 2023 at 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he wasn't covered up at the LOS, Juice was not at the LOS.
Just cause he was last on progressions and not expecting it doesn't mean anything.
Ok so you're saying that since Juice was off the LOS, that means Kittle is not "covered up." If Juice was on the LOS, Kittle would be "covered up"/ineligible?
I want to have my ducks in a row before I blast his post.
[ Edited by GoldandGarnet on Jan 27, 2023 at 10:55 AM ]
Jan 27, 2023 at 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:Thats what i took from it from the same discussion on a tweet i came across
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he wasn't covered up at the LOS, Juice was not at the LOS.
Just cause he was last on progressions and not expecting it doesn't mean anything.
Ok so you're saying that since Juice was off the LOS, that means Kittle is not "covered up." If Juice was on the LOS, Kittle would be "covered up"/ineligible?
I want to have my ducks in a row before I blast his post.
Jan 27, 2023 at 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Thats what i took from it from the same discussion on a tweet i came across
I see that too, someone said that Debo and Juice are both off the LOS, mean Kittle is uncovered and therefore eligible.
Jan 27, 2023 at 11:52 AM
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sorry to see this thread die, been in the afterglow all week thinking about a teary eyed Jerry Jones and a bang bang niner game ending the pukes season
Jan 27, 2023 at 1:27 PM
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I'm still laughing at the Cowboys.
Jan 27, 2023 at 1:35 PM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:Thats what i took from it from the same discussion on a tweet i came across
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
he wasn't covered up at the LOS, Juice was not at the LOS.
Just cause he was last on progressions and not expecting it doesn't mean anything.
Ok so you're saying that since Juice was off the LOS, that means Kittle is not "covered up." If Juice was on the LOS, Kittle would be "covered up"/ineligible?
I want to have my ducks in a row before I blast his post.
Kittle was on Pat McAfee show yesterday and explained that play.
Jan 27, 2023 at 7:19 PM
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The commenter here says Juice's head had to be behind the Center's ass. It's close. Apparently how close Juice and Kittle are does not matter, it's how close Juice is to the LOS. It's close, but this is like crying over a PI call
if someone has any additional take on this, I appreciate it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjuW5iAfX4
if someone has any additional take on this, I appreciate it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjuW5iAfX4
Jan 27, 2023 at 7:54 PM
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Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
The commenter here says Juice's head had to be behind the Center's ass. It's close. Apparently how close Juice and Kittle are does not matter, it's how close Juice is to the LOS. It's close, but this is like crying over a PI call
if someone has any additional take on this, I appreciate it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjuW5iAfX4
This is the correct take and they have technology similar to the ones they use in soccer (offside) to tell if they crossed the threshold. They use it often on replays when they flag an ineligible receiver down field. If he covered up Kittle the officials in NY would've (should've) spoke up via the head official's ear piece.
Jan 27, 2023 at 8:17 PM
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Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
The commenter here says Juice's head had to be behind the Center's ass. It's close. Apparently how close Juice and Kittle are does not matter, it's how close Juice is to the LOS. It's close, but this is like crying over a PI call
if someone has any additional take on this, I appreciate it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjuW5iAfX4
This is the correct take and they have technology similar to the ones they use in soccer (offside) to tell if they crossed the threshold. They use it often on replays when they flag an ineligible receiver down field. If he covered up Kittle the officials in NY would've (should've) spoke up via the head official's ear piece.
As I understand it, the refs are lenient on those couple of inches because #85 is typically an eligible number. If we had brought in an extra lineman in place of Kittle they would have thrown the flag.
The league doesn't like using the eligibility rules as a deceptive offensive tactic.
[ Edited by All22 on Jan 27, 2023 at 8:20 PM ]
Jan 28, 2023 at 7:47 AM
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looks like DAL is replacing Prescott
Jan 28, 2023 at 7:59 AM
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Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Originally posted by GoldandGarnet:
Hey guys, I'm going back and forth with a Cowboy fan acquaintance on social media.
You know, excuse city. Anyway, he sent a link to a casual fan observation that on Kittle's bobble catch play, he was an ineligible receiver because he was "covered up" by the FB on the LOS, kittle being lined up on the LOS.
I'm vaguely familiar with eligibility rules, but I don't know about this one. Then I saw Kittle's presser where he said "Yea, I wasn't even a read on the play," implying the coaching staff knew by his alignment he was ineligible—they didn't have him as a read by design.
Does anyone have any input on this?
He was eligible. He wasn't covering(lined up next to) a lineman, it was juice inside of him. Making him eligible.
Gross
Jan 28, 2023 at 9:08 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
looks like DAL is replacing Prescott
Jan 28, 2023 at 9:37 AM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
looks like DAL is replacing Prescott