Who will be the next 49ers Defensive Coordinator?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pick a candidate and why you think they'd be a good fit for the job.

Can't pick one. But my guess is it's among the top three that you posted. All three are internal candidates. Shanahan does like to promote from within.

I can't argue with his approach. It's produced some excellent results. Bill Walsh did the same thing. George Seifert started out as a DB coach under Walsh. He was eventually elevated to DC.

I say bring in the Viking ex-HC and let him run the D

Can't argue against your take, Moon. The only thing is that plan deviates from what Kyle has done in the past: promote from within. He and Lynch may or may not deviate from that plan.

You know in hindsight, I always thought it was strange that Kyle wanted Vic back in 2017. At that time, Kyle wanted to use a similar defense than the Seahawks. And Vic was a big 3-4 guy.
I´m glad Kyle doesn´t want to change a defense that worked so well the last four seasons. The wide 9 alignement puts so much pressure on the opponents and that linebacker corps is outstanding. The Defensive Backs did a great job this year.
And who knows, maybe Vic will come with an open mind. I just don´t want to see Bosa in coverage.

Originally posted by pdc20:
You know in hindsight, I always thought it was strange that Kyle wanted Vic back in 2017. At that time, Kyle wanted to use a similar defense than the Seahawks. And Vic was a big 3-4 guy.
I´m glad Kyle don´t want to change a defense that worked so well the last four seasons. The wide 9 alignement puts so much pressure on the opponents and that linebacker corps is outstanding. The Defensive Backs did a great job this year.
And who knows, maybe Vic will come with an open mind. I just don´t want to see Bosa in coverage.

every teams that we play will eat BOSA alive if he plays OLB... all they have to do is have him cover a SLOT BACK..

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Or Fred Warner

3rd round picks under this regime

Akhello Witherspoon
CJ Beathard
Fred Warner
Tarvarius Moore
Jalen Hurd
Trey Sermon
Ambry Thomas
Danny Gray
TDP

6 terrible picks, 1 great one, 2 that the book is still out on.

Welp guess we should just give those 3rd picks away. No reason to use them

The point is that you can make an agument that disrupting the coaching staff every couple of years isn't really worth it for two late 3rd round picks that this team has good historical odds of blowing anyways.

Or you can look at it as a game of numbers. You have to draft and lose so you can eventually draft and win. With a 30% success rate in the first round, for example, you have to go through 7 picks to get 3 good ones. One positive spin on coaching disruption is that Kyle and the establishment has to rethink their approaches and evaluate what they do and what new ideas new coachs bring to the table. Without Slowik and Griese, I don't think we get Purdy.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Fangio or Wilks. Give me a grandpa who doesn't like the spotlight

Yeah, at least we don't have to worry about Fangio leaving, he's probably just content being a DC, now.

Yeah, no leaving, but no compensatory 3rd round picks either.

No biggie, Giedi.

Heh, draft value chart says one 3rd round pick is equal to 16 seventh round picks! That's 8 Purdy's and 8 third and Jauans!

I can't see running a 4-3 as a problem for Fangio. He's been around the block enough to do fine with 4-3.

He'd be a fine hire. So would Wilks. Given Kyle's track record with hiring DCs (two who are now HCs), if we get someone who is less of a known name I won't be bothered.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Mookster:
Fangio has run a 3-4 wherever he's been.... it would require a complete retooling of our defensive line personnel to shift back and given its a strength I'm hoping Fangio ends up in Miami.

Well, considering that majority of our DL are going to be free agents, I think now is a good time to do it if they're serious about Fangio. Ebukam, Hyder, Ridgeway, Omenihu, Willis and Givens are all free agents.

AA, Kinlaw and Drake Jackson all played in 3-4s in college. The only person I'm really concerned about is Bosa. Outside of being asked to drop in coverage from time to time, I think the stance change on certain downs could impact his game, but I've seen what his brother has done in this scheme. Nick Bosa should be okay.

Fangio has run 3-4 and 4-3. He taylors his defenses to the personnel. You will see him use 4-3 under concepts and everything in between. His defense is very tough for QBs to make pre snap reads. Often forcing the QB to make the read post snap hence making him hold the ball a tick longer allowing the pass rush more time. He seldom blitzes but had some of the best stunts ever. You do have to have good safeties in his scheme. As Far as Bosa is concerned see what Aldon Smith did under Fangio.

The 3-4 vs 4-3 is not as important imo as the 1 gap vs 1.5 gap that Fangio has been teaching. So the main hesitancy I have with switching to Fangio's 3-4 has more to do with having the DL learn to do two things. As for having the QB read postsnap, Ryans was already doing this when he adopted Fangio's coverage concepts this season - in terms of showing two high safeties presnap, then being creative from there postsnap, all while showing the same presnap look down after down (CBs with a cushion, safeties in a two high shell).

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Fangio or Wilks. Give me a grandpa who doesn't like the spotlight

Yeah, at least we don't have to worry about Fangio leaving, he's probably just content being a DC, now.

Yeah, no leaving, but no compensatory 3rd round picks either.

No biggie, Giedi.

Heh, draft value chart says one 3rd round pick is equal to 16 seventh round picks! That's 8 Purdy's and 8 third and Jauans!

Originally posted by 9moon:
I say bring in the Viking ex-HC and let him run the D

Why?

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I say bring in the Viking ex-HC and let him run the D

Why?

Zimmer? Didn't he take a college job recently?

Originally posted by Adman311:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I say bring in the Viking ex-HC and let him run the D

Why?

Zimmer? Didn't he take a college job recently?

Yeah, Colorado he's Deion's D.C.

I'm honestly not that worried about it. I'm sure whoever Kyle hires will be a fine replacement. Maybe not as good as DeMeco right away, but he'll be good enough

Something that worries me is that the past 2 coordinators that we had were younger and enthusiastic coordinators and our defense fed on that. Do you guys think a older more relax coach like fangio would take away from that?? Or am I overthinking it

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:
Something that worries me is that the past 2 coordinators that we had were younger and enthusiastic coordinators and our defense fed on that. Do you guys think a older more relax coach like fangio would take away from that?? Or am I overthinking it

Yes that does concern me as well. The fed off Saleh and Ryan's energy. Heck I did. I trust Kyle to find the right guy.

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:
Something that worries me is that the past 2 coordinators that we had were younger and enthusiastic coordinators and our defense fed on that. Do you guys think a older more relax coach like fangio would take away from that?? Or am I overthinking it

I don't know if I'd describe Vic Fangio as relaxed. I've heard Fangio described as a grouch and stickler. I'm not sure I've ever heard a former player of his say a bad thing about him. The 49ers players from the 2011-2014 rave about him. I'm not too worried about his personality. Yeah, he's not going to be as energetic and exuberant on the sideline as Saleh and DeMeco, but I'm not sure that's a quality that will be duplicated. The 49ers got lucky with those 2 guys. Besides, I don't think it's something Kyle should focus on or worry about. The lockerroom is filled with pros.