Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who said anything about wasting a pick? Go draft an OT/EDGE/DB/WR etc
These were some of the names still on the board…
saldiveri
freeland
Jones
zavala
daniels
Warren
mcguire
herbig
scott
rush
adebawore
Phillips III
don't tell me for one sec none of those guys could help this team and none of them could become a starter at a vastly more important position.
when 95% of the league is made of of kickers that were UDFAs or LATE day 3 picks…yeah objectively it's a stupid pick.
Okay. I'll play. Here is the draft breakdown of your list. At the end of the season we'll see which of these players ended up contributing more to their teams than Moody. There were too many Jones' listed to know who you were talking about.
Nick Saldiveri Saints/pick 103/ OL
The 6-foot-6, 317-pound Saldiveri is recognized as a good athlete with a lot of potential, although he's raw and may not be ready to start as a rookie.
A developmental/practice squad player who may or may not turn into anything.
Blake Freeland pick Colts/106 /T
The biggest thing that he will have to work on is his technique playing the position. Which will come with time playing the position since he is still relatively new to it. He can play with a high pad level which doesn't help him win with leverage. Freeland can also have his struggles with edge rushers that bring a variety of moves. Overall, Indianapolis lands an athletic tackle that has the tools to develop into a quality starter at either tackle spots. His addition also gives some competition in training camp for the left tackle spot and a future option at right tackle with Braden Smith only having two years left on his deal after the 2023 season.
49ers were in need of a right tackle and his name was associated with them a lot but their take seems to be that none of the tackles available at that point presented a significant upgrade over what they had or would add more immediate value than Moody. Some in here have called him Mike McGlinchey 2.0 and we all know how popular he was. We'll see if they're right.
Chandler Zavala Panthers/114/OL
Zavala has a big upside as a conditioned pass blocker and smart mover in the run game. Couple that with his prototypical size, and you have a valuable pass blocker with more than one area of expertise. However, as is the issue for so many players, Zavala has yet to show that he can perform at a high level consistently. If he can avoid injury and utilize his speed and knowledge in the NFL, the Panthers will be more than happy with the lineman.
A guy who sat out a year after having back surgery. No thanks to that after the Dee Ford experience.
Braeden Daniels Commanders/118/OL
"Daniels will require development time to refine his footwork and consistency to match up with NFL rushers, but he has the athletic twitch and versatility to boost an offensive line depth chart in the NFL. His experience at multiple positions is a plus and he grades as a swing tackle/guard with down-the-road starting upside.
A possible practice squad player over a day one starter at a position of need. Sure, why not?
Carter Warren Jets/120/T
Warren has prototypical size, length and arm length for the left tackle position. However, he may need to improve his footwork if he wants to start at the NFL level. Warren projects as a depth piece at tackle for the Jets, with the possibility of developing into a starter in the future.
See Blake Freeland above. Another potential practice squad player over a day one starter.
Isaiah McGuire Browns/120/DE
Given his body type, McGuire makes sense as both a defensive end and an outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. However, He hasn't had the reps at linebacker to show NFL teams he is ready to make an impact at that position. We haven't seen McGuire's final form yet. He has room for improvement and could grow into a solid NFL contributor at defensive end or outside linebacker.
Last time I checked Niners don't play a 3-4. Another potential practice squad/rotational player who probably wouldn't make the 53
Nick Herbig Steelers/132/LB
He boasts some of the best range and change-of-direction ability in the entire draft class but likely isn't getting buzz at the moment because he was an on-ball linebacker for Wisconsin who will have to play off-ball in the NFL.
Apparently the Niners liked the two LB's they drafted. Were split between which one was better and ended up with both. We'll see if they were right.
Eric Scott (?) Cowboys/178/CB
Long, explosive cornerback who's best as a linear athlete. Stiffness pops when changing directions. The Cowboys like picking some obscure CBs. Wasn't firmly on the draft radar.
NFL.com rated this as the worst pick in the Cowboy's draft with a C- grade. Time will tell.
Darius Rush Colts/138/DB
Two-year starter at cornerback after moving from wide receiver in his redshirt freshman season. Rush is big, long and physical. He struggles to stay connected with routes from both press and off coverages but could improve with more technique work. He will never have the short area foot quickness to mirror and match routes but has impressive ball skills to disrupt the catch when he's in position.
We'll see if he turns out to be better than the corner they drafted.
Adetomiwa Adebawore Colts/110/DE
A high-effort player with a unique build, Adebawore consistently figured out ways to disrupt at the college level. He has a naturally low center of gravity that allows him to work his way through traffic with great balance. Where is his home in the NFL? Adebawore doesn't have the kind of bend to threaten as a pass rusher off the edge, but he's undersized and lacks ideal power as an interior run defender, at risk of giving up a lot of ground if he can't immediately shoot a gap.
Where would he fit on this defense?
Clark Phillips III Falcons/113/CB
Phillips is a quick-twitch athlete that was battle-tested by some excellent receivers in the Pac-12. In the biggest of matchups, Phillips displayed his ability to mirror-and-match opposing pass-catchers. Phillips' change of direction abilities allow him to sink his hips and make smooth transitions throughout the progress of a route. He can run step-for-step with receivers while staying within their hip pocket. He measured in at 5'9 and 184 pounds at the 2023 NFL Scouting Combine. Phillips' size deficiencies will lead to instances of his body and frame not allowing him to make the plays his mind can.
Nice write up on his positives. Niners have typically liked their corners to be bigger. Do you suspect he was really an option for them?
Haha whole bunch of subjective takes to try and push a narrative. It's Tyler Scott the WR.
im sure you had moody as your 99th pick in your mock draft. I'm sure you were screaming for SF to take a Kicker in the top 100. I'm sure you wouldn't have laughed at the Rams/AZ or Seattle if they took one in the top 100. Look man we get it you're a fan and will just put on the rose colored glasses and say it was an amazing pick…I disagree with this one and so does a f**k ton of others
Well, let's see how you did, shall we,
McGuire, Browns, DE, 3rd string
Freeland, Colts, RT, 2nd string
Adebawore, Colts, DE, 3rd string
Rush, Colts, DB, cut
Daniels, Commanders, OL, cut
Scott, Cowboys, CB, cut
Phillips, Falcons, CB, 2nd string
Warren, Jets, RT, 3rd string
Zavala, Panthers, RG, 1st string
Saldiveri, Saints, RG, 2nd string
Herbig, Steelers, LB, 2nd string
Now remember, the original rules of the game were that you could pick one of these guys, but you weren't willing to put your money where your mouth was, so I gave you all 11. If you had picked just Zavala, I would have conceded your point, but that wasn't the case, so now we will have to wait until the end of the season to see who ends up contributing more to their respective teams. Oh, just to clarify this information was taken from the depth charts of all 32 teams as of today after the cutdowns,
[ Edited by 49ers81 on Aug 29, 2023 at 4:04 PM ]
