Jake Moody-K-Michigan 3rd Round 2023 Draft | Page 22

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:13 AM

the_dynasty
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Originally posted by captveg:
The whole process is a crap shoot. You draft the guys you like, and do it for every round. Every round has busts, every round has hits. The end.

They needed a kicker, they got a kicker they like.

With that logic you can justify any pick at any position.

Once again. Position players in the third round have far better chance of becoming great players than position players in late rounds or undrafted. Kickers do not have this better chance.

We happen to need position players at edge and tackle, two positions that if teams hit on, they have cheap players at premium position for several years down the line.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:15 AM

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NFL Pick 'em

Not sure if I am in a good moody.
Can't say I am hot & bothered as much as that pick reaction lol. "Oh yeah..(that's as sexy & smart as it gets, Michigan has made me warm for 30 yrs).haha.

[ Edited by Montana on Apr 29, 2023 at 10:20 AM ]

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:15 AM

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It's amazing how well respected the 49er front office is around the league, but its own fanbase they are a bunch of bums.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by captveg:
It's amazing how well respected the 49er front office is around the league, but its own fanbase they are a bunch of bums.

That would be the Raiders fans

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Per the link below he was 7-8 between 40 and 49, and 3 for 7 beyond 50 (in 2022).

https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/jake-moody-player-stats?category=kicking&seasonType=reg

That totals the 66.6, which means that scouting report didn't differentiate between 40-49 and 50+. Gould's career is 77% from 40 to 49. Moody's was 87.5% from that range (in 2022).

When it says 40+ it simply means 40 plus. Not sure why you thought it differentiated between under 50 and over 50. That would be 50+

I didn't. I was pointing out that the scouting report acted like he was a terrible kicker when he just missed a lot of ones beyond 50. His kicks between 40-49 were better than Gould's last year. That was my point. A kicker is not going to be attempting a lot beyond 50. But if he's great between 40 and 49 and can get you touchbacks, that's a quality kicker.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by captveg:
The whole process is a crap shoot. You draft the guys you like, and do it for every round. Every round has busts, every round has hits. The end.

They needed a kicker, they got a kicker they like.

They feel like they've got 4 years of cap savings with an extremely accurate guy like Gold. Of course,...feel being the key word.

How much will about a 100th overall kicker count against the cap over 4 years instead of a $6M a year guy when accuracy is what you want for those 4 years?

And does it allow you to perhaps sign or extend another player that you maybe otherwise couldn't?

This is the rationale above all else behind the pick, IMO.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by mayo49:
You mean the kickers.

Yes,I mean the kickers. Kickers have the highest replaceability rate in the league for a reason. You hit on a kicker and it's like cool its just like a guy we could've had in fa for one and a half more million. You miss on a kicker and now you cut a third round pick and lack the potential upside of a Fred Warner or whoever else you could've had. And historically - like I've said - there is no indication a kicker chosen in third will be better than a guy chosen in the seventh or undrafted.

You got a point, man. Your just preaching, now.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by captveg:
It's amazing how well respected the 49er front office is around the league, but its own fanbase they are a bunch of bums.

You mean the Forty Whiners. Those aren't fans, they're socialite little tweets. Where, I'm from, we don't like those types.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Apr 29, 2023 at 10:30 AM ]

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by thl408:
Just "solid" isn't good enough for a 3rd round PK. Make the clutch kicks and he's worth it. His leg is good. It's all mental.

Yea they didnt go for a huge leg when they went for Robbie, as they knew he was towards the end of his career.

They just want a guy they can depend on within 50 yards.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:28 AM

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Unless I missed someone, here's the last place kicker taken within the 1st 3 rounds (59th overall). Was way back in 2016:

As the NFL struggled with longer extra points last year, Aguayo never missed a kick inside 40 yards with the Seminoles. The 2013 Lou Groza Award winner had the leg strength to rack up touchbacks but FSU preferred him to kick off high, as NFL teams are expected to do after offseason rule changes pushed touchbacks up to the 25-yard line.

With Aguayo, FSU ranked seventh nationally in opponents' starting field position, according to Football Outsiders.

While the rule changes increased Aguayo's value, Bucs general manager Jason Licht said Aguayo's talent was a bigger factor in making him the first kicker chosen in the second round since 2005.

"When you've got a chance to get the best kicker in the history of college football, I didn't want to risk it," Licht said. "I wanted to take him."

All he had to do was send the No. 106 overall pick (obtained Thursday from the Bears) and his third-round pick (No. 74) to the Chiefs.

.............The Bucs targeted Aguayo as a possible third-round pick after attending his pro day at FSU but decided not to risk losing an automatic talent with a potentially long career; the past three kickers drafted inside the top 60 have averaged 16 years in the league and counting.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/pass-rushing-coach-lauds-bucs-pick-of-noah-spence/2275387/

Not a ringing endorsement of the pick or anything,...just a factoid.

[ Edited by random49er on Apr 29, 2023 at 10:37 AM ]

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:31 AM

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Did we move up.

Apr 29, 2023 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by captveg:
The whole process is a crap shoot. You draft the guys you like, and do it for every round. Every round has busts, every round has hits. The end.

They needed a kicker, they got a kicker they like.

They feel like they've got 4 years of cap savings with an extremely accurate guy like Gold. Of course,...feel being the key word.

How much will about a 100th overall kicker count against the cap over 4 years instead of a $6M a year guy when accuracy is what you want for those 4 years?

And does it allow you to perhaps sign or extend another player that you maybe otherwise couldn't?

This is the rationale above all else behind the pick, IMO.