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49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think it's much different than a quarterback who is off and throwing high or low.
He has everything right except one thing, and it's his plant foot. It's not landing pointed in the right direction and if that's off, it's going to guide the kick elsewhere.
If your plant foot lands pointing the wrong way and you use "weight distribution" to direct the kick instead to compensate, it will hook. You can get away with that if you calculate right, but that's not proper form.
Moody was struggling with planting properly on at least 4 of his kicks, including the game winner.
i reject the idea he's hurt, shame on us if we put him out hurt. this game can turn his whole career down the wrong path.
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
It is not.
i think the yips is loss of confidence when you miss 1 then you miss a bunch you aren't flushing that miss like a pro you are dwelling on it
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think it's much different than a quarterback who is off and throwing high or low.
He has everything right except one thing, and it's his plant foot. It's not landing pointed in the right direction and if that's off, it's going to guide the kick elsewhere.
If your plant foot lands pointing the wrong way and you use "weight distribution" to direct the kick instead to compensate, it will hook. You can get away with that if you calculate right, but that's not proper form.
Moody was struggling with planting properly on at least 4 of his kicks, including the game winner.
i reject the idea he's hurt, shame on us if we put him out hurt. this game can turn his whole career down the wrong path.
It's not injury related, it was just bad technique. He was off all day.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's not injury related, it was just bad technique. He was off all day.
How in the world can you get to the NFL with bad technique. You figure this is something that would have been tightened up early in his collegiate career with coaching...
[ Edited by 49erKing on Nov 12, 2024 at 3:34 PM ]
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49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by 49erKing:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's not injury related, it was just bad technique. He was off all day.
How in the world can you get to the NFL with bad technique. You figure this is something that would have been tightened up his early collegiate career with coaching...
yeah that's why i say he has the yips. he misses 1, then he starts thinking. when you start thinking it's over. you start trying to adjust and compensate for that 1 miss. then you get entirely out of whack. 1 miss can send this dude into a tailspin
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Nov 12, 2024 at 3:36 PM ]
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OnTheClock
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Originally posted by 49erKing:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It's not injury related, it was just bad technique. He was off all day.
How in the world can you get to the NFL with bad technique. You figure this is something that would have been tightened up early in his collegiate career with coaching...
The thing is, his form was fantastic until he got hurt. Sunday he regressed and didn't look like the same guy.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Nov 12, 2024 at 4:56 PM ]
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think making his first game winner had to be a good weight off his shoulders.
Maybe we will see a more "locked in" guy going forward.. Hopefully.
I can tell you his issue was definitely technical/mechanical and is a pretty simple fix, but needs reps to solidify again..
Yet we have posters claiming he has the yips LMAO.
i fear he does have the yips cuz he'll miss in bunches. it's happened on several occasions.
If he makes them in practice but not live games, isn't that the very definition of the yips?
It is not.
I am a golfer. If you had the yips, you wouldnt be able to do it in practice either.
Plus, if Moody had the yips, he would have gone 0/6 not 3/6.
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I honestly want this dude off the team. EVERY kick he attempts, regardless of distance, I have zero confidence he's making it. His technique is so poor I don't know how he still has a job other than where he was drafted but we've released other 3rd rounders without batting an eye. Rest assured he will cost us more games
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Moody looked insanely rusty today, but still zero excuse for missing three kicks. His form was so greatly improved earlier in the season, but today it looked like it completely regressed back to last year's.
My personal insight as a former kicker: On the second kick, I knew as soon as his plant foot hit that he was going to yank it wide. He pointed that plant foot WAY too far left. The torque gets completely thrown off then and you're twisting and striking the ball essentially facing the left post at that point.
His plant foot placement was crap on the game winner too. He essentially had his foot pointed right at the post, and he also turned it out on its side so his plant foot wasn't even sturdy on the ground in his follow through. He was BARELY able to shift his body weight enough to get it to go left, BUT, IF YOU NOTICE.. his plant foot placement perfectly explains why it started to curl wide, and would've missed if it had been a longer kick.
They won't cut him yet, but he better fix this crap asap.
OMG. You are Ray Wersching? In the presence of greatness.
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Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:
OMG. You are Ray Wersching? In the presence of greatness.
My dad always told me I was like Ray when I was a kid. Never had a big leg, but was accurate!
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I would agree that if he has mechanical issues those need to get straightened out.
Again, I'm willing to put it on first game back coming back from ankle sprain. If he's falling back into bad mechanics it probably goes into play with the whole muscle memory thing. He hasn't been active so he falls back into what he did before instead of the refined/corrected version. And it could be that he wasn't 100% healthy, which he probably isn't because almost no one is 100% healthy during a season to begin with, it could be overcompensating or just subconsciously not confident in the ankle.
Never been a kicker like OnTheClock but I can say as someone who sustained a broken ankle last year, it's tough even when the orthopedist says you're healed your brain isn't convinced of that and still wants to protect it. I broke my right ankle, came back to work 40 days later and my job is walking all the time. There were days that my entire left leg/thigh was just in pain and fatigued because the mind was saying, "this side is good the other isn't so I have to transfer the work to the healthy side." Plus being in a boot for 19 days, and I was fortunate because I healed so quickly that he said I could transfer to a brace after that, but you basically have to retrain yourself because your calf and other muscles can atrophy. I wouldn't even want to begin to imagine what it's like to try to compete athletically after that. I just wanted to get back to a normal life as soon as possible because like I said my job, actually both of my jobs involve me essentially on the move all the time. I made sure that I used comfrey cream, took calcium/Vitamin D supplements, did my exercises. I didn't want to be hobbled. It was a bad calendar year because 6 months later I was hit in my car and broke my nose and in comparison that was like, whatever. I wasn't hideously deformed and I was breathing okay so I basically just let that go.
I don't buy the argument people periodically say that he has the "yips". If he had the yips he wouldn't have made every single field goal, including long ones, in the Super Bowl after missing a couple of times in the playoffs.
Hopefully he continues to get healthier and can get his mechanics straight.
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Originally posted by OhioNiner:
I would agree that if he has mechanical issues those need to get straightened out.
Again, I'm willing to put it on first game back coming back from ankle sprain. If he's falling back into bad mechanics it probably goes into play with the whole muscle memory thing. He hasn't been active so he falls back into what he did before instead of the refined/corrected version. And it could be that he wasn't 100% healthy, which he probably isn't because almost no one is 100% healthy during a season to begin with, it could be overcompensating or just subconsciously not confident in the ankle.
Never been a kicker like OnTheClock but I can say as someone who sustained a broken ankle last year, it's tough even when the orthopedist says you're healed your brain isn't convinced of that and still wants to protect it. I broke my right ankle, came back to work 40 days later and my job is walking all the time. There were days that my entire left leg/thigh was just in pain and fatigued because the mind was saying, "this side is good the other isn't so I have to transfer the work to the healthy side." Plus being in a boot for 19 days, and I was fortunate because I healed so quickly that he said I could transfer to a brace after that, but you basically have to retrain yourself because your calf and other muscles can atrophy. I wouldn't even want to begin to imagine what it's like to try to compete athletically after that. I just wanted to get back to a normal life as soon as possible because like I said my job, actually both of my jobs involve me essentially on the move all the time. I made sure that I used comfrey cream, took calcium/Vitamin D supplements, did my exercises. I didn't want to be hobbled. It was a bad calendar year because 6 months later I was hit in my car and broke my nose and in comparison that was like, whatever. I wasn't hideously deformed and I was breathing okay so I basically just let that go.
I don't buy the argument people periodically say that he has the "yips". If he had the yips he wouldn't have made every single field goal, including long ones, in the Super Bowl after missing a couple of times in the playoffs.
Hopefully he continues to get healthier and can get his mechanics straight.
This is obvious to anyone who understands what the yips are. Good post overall.
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If it's "technique" then WHY aren't the coaches fixing it??