Jake Moody-K-Michigan 3rd Round 2023 Draft

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
rip to those he would have been there in round 5-7 takes

I definitely was a trade back into round 4 guy, hoping to pick up an extra 5th and 7th and would've been pissed if we missed on Moody.

we didn't want them taking a wr or RB in the 3rd round.

They finally did, and then trolled us taking a Kicker

LMAOOOOOOOOO, we won't complain next year when they take a wr or rb now.

Originally posted by dlance:
I find it funny when Lynch says they didn't want to reach for tackle in the third round. I guess they do not think it's a reach drafting a kicker in the third round. I think it's a huge reach drafting a kicker in the third. It's a jumping the shark kind of reach. Only 3 kicker where draft. They could have waited maybe missed out on Moody but still drafted one of the 3 best kicker in the draft. How many undrafted kicker are there in the league right now? Your telling me there was not a CB or LB or any other position player that could have help this team that could have been drafted in the third round. This was we need a kicker lets draft one now reach of a pick if I have ever since one.

12 picks later a worse kicker was drafted. What would you prefer? I think they are higher on McKivitz, Moore, abd Feliciano than we realize. I'm not, but I am not at practice either.

Originally posted by ads_2006:
we didn't want them taking a wr or RB in the 3rd round.

They finally did, and then trolled us taking a Kicker

LMAOOOOOOOOO, we won't complain next year when they take a wr or rb now.

I'll take the kicker. The backs have been trash and given how good Mason is, along with Mitchell's injury issues, I could see TDP being beaten out by the UDFA.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by scooterhd:
some of the failures of kickers taken somewhat early in the draft. All hyped up, great college careers, some Lou Groza finalists. Some of them even turned out pretty good, but just not for the team that drafted them. Easy to get impatient and move on from a guy during a bad streak. Point being, kickers just like any other position can and will fail and bust out. Moody is no lock to even win the job. Zane was a drafted kicker as well, Lou Groza winner, unanimous All American, all time Pac 12 points leader, 5th on the NCAA all time points list. 81% make percentage for his career. If it werent for some quad injuries, hes probably have a steady job.

2020 draft, Patriots select Justin Rohrwasser at pick 159. Is cut in training camp. Pats draft kicker again in 2023.
2019 draft, Bucs select Matt Gay at 145. NFL talent, but cut after 1 year and now bouncing around the league.
2019 draft, Browns select Austin Seibert at pick 170. Cut after a year. Free agent right now if you want him. Browns draft kicker again in 2022.
2018 draft, Daniel Carlson at 167 by the Vikings. Released after 2 games. Turned into a nice kicker but not for the team that drafted him.
2017 draft, Jake Elliot taken at 153 by the Bengals. Cut in training camp. Eagles pick him up and turns into a good kicker but not for his original team.
2016 draft, Bucs take Aguayo at 59. Third most accurate kicker in NCAA history, never missed a extra point in college. Cut after one year.
2013 draft, Dolphins take Caleb Sturgis at 166. Cut after 2 seasons.
2013 draft, Bills take Dustin Hopkins at 177. Groin pull rookie year, gets cut after the season. Bounces around after that.
2012 draft, Texans take Randy Bullock at 161. Cut after 3 years. NFL talent but bouncing around the league.
2011 draft, Eagles select Alex Henery at 120. Had 2 good years before struggling and being cut.
2008 draft, Taylor Melhaff is first kicker off the board at 178. Cut in training camp.
2007 draft, Justin Medlock is first kicker off at 160 to the Chiefs. Cut after a bad preseason game.
2007 draft, Nick Folk is taken at 178 by the Cowboys. decent career, but released by Cowboys after 3 seasons and bounced around the league.
2005 draft, Mike Nugent is taken at 47 by the Jets. Couple decent years before getting cut and having more productive seasons with the Bengals with 6 other teams mixed in there.
2002 draft, 49ers select Jeff Chandler at 102. Released after one season...

Now do that for 6,7 and UDFA kickers and we'll have some perspective on all that good work you did.

Its largely the same story. Hits and misses. For every Tyler Bass, theres a guy cut in training camp. For every Greg the Leg, theres the Harrison Butker who was cut, and then prospers with another franchise. Even half of the success stories are guys that played a few years with the teams that drafted them and then moved on to find a better fit. If you think Moody is the franchise kicker for the next 12 years, that really only happened with Mason Crosby and maybe Jason Sanders gets there at some point. Otherwise, kickers bounce around the league. Just as much luck hitting gold on a free agent or recently cut player as a drafted one.

2020 6 188 Tyler Bass Bills
2020 7 248 Sam Sloman Rams *cut after a few games, now in XFL
2018 7 229 Jason Sanders Dolphins
2017 7 224 Zane Gonzalez Browns *cut after one year, bounced around, now a 49er
2017 7 233 Harrison Butker Panthers *greatkicker for the Chiefs, but drafted by Panthers and waived after a few games
2014 7 228 Zach Hocker Redskins *6 teams in 4 years, then out of the league
2014 7 229 Nate Freese Lions *cut after 3 weeks
2012 6 171 Greg Zuerlein Rams *bouncing around now but gave the Rams 7 good seasons
2012 6 175 Blair Walsh Vikings *decent career, Gave the Vikings 4 good years so moderate success
2012 7 251 John Potter Bills *4 teams in 3 years then out of the league
2009 7 256 Ryan Succop Chiefs *successful career, but only 4 seasons with the Chiefs before they cut him. Best seasons with TB and TENN
2008 7 235 Brandon Coutu Seahawks *waived after a year, practice squad and UFL player
2007 6 193 Mason Crosby Packers
2006 6 188 Kurt Smith Chargers *practice squad guy
2005 6 202 Dave Rayner Colts *NFL record most teams played on with 11. Released after 1 year with Colts who drafted him
2004 7 229 David Kimball Colts *cut in training camp
2003 7 222 Josh Brown Seahawks *solid career, only 4 years with the team that drafted him
2002 7 248 Hayden Epstein Jaguars *cut after 6 games, NFL Europe guy

Originally posted by scooterhd:
Its largely the same story. Hits and misses. For every Tyler Bass, theres a guy cut in training camp. For every Greg the Leg, theres the Harrison Butker who was cut, and then prospers with another franchise. Even half of the success stories are guys that played a few years with the teams that drafted them and then moved on to find a better fit. If you think Moody is the franchise kicker for the next 12 years, that really only happened with Mason Crosby and maybe Jason Sanders gets there at some point. Otherwise, kickers bounce around the league. Just as much luck hitting gold on a free agent or recently cut player as a drafted one.

2020 6 188 Tyler Bass Bills
2020 7 248 Sam Sloman Rams *cut after a few games, now in XFL
2018 7 229 Jason Sanders Dolphins
2017 7 224 Zane Gonzalez Browns *cut after one year, bounced around, now a 49er
2017 7 233 Harrison Butker Panthers *greatkicker for the Chiefs, but drafted by Panthers and waived after a few games
2014 7 228 Zach Hocker Redskins *6 teams in 4 years, then out of the league
2014 7 229 Nate Freese Lions *cut after 3 weeks
2012 6 171 Greg Zuerlein Rams *bouncing around now but gave the Rams 7 good seasons
2012 6 175 Blair Walsh Vikings *decent career, Gave the Vikings 4 good years so moderate success
2012 7 251 John Potter Bills *4 teams in 3 years then out of the league
2009 7 256 Ryan Succop Chiefs *successful career, but only 4 seasons with the Chiefs before they cut him. Best seasons with TB and TENN
2008 7 235 Brandon Coutu Seahawks *waived after a year, practice squad and UFL player
2007 6 193 Mason Crosby Packers
2006 6 188 Kurt Smith Chargers *practice squad guy
2005 6 202 Dave Rayner Colts *NFL record most teams played on with 11. Released after 1 year with Colts who drafted him
2004 7 229 David Kimball Colts *cut in training camp
2003 7 222 Josh Brown Seahawks *solid career, only 4 years with the team that drafted him
2002 7 248 Hayden Epstein Jaguars *cut after 6 games, NFL Europe guy

this just in, a draft pick is not gtd success.. back to you

look at the cost of the rook deal to a vet Robbie style deal; look at what the Colts just paid for Gay

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Why? That should be obvious… maybe it's even harder to find a good kicker in the later rounds. I don't know the numbers but if they fail 3x more in the later rounds and you absolutely need one for a Super Bowl run this year than maybe it's worth it to pay extra to increase your odds.

Speaking of the brain trust… we'll have the Carolina kicker this off season so for insurance we'll have a kicker familiar with our team in case the early round guy doesn't work out and we have to bring him in.

We're not going to carry 2 kickers on the roster though, so even considering that your 3rd round pick might be cut before the season might hint at how good of a pick that was or wasnt...

No we are going to cut the Carolina kicker, but if we need to bring him back he's coming to a familiar environment and stadium.

and if we have to cut the new kicker than I think all involved would say it's a bad pick including the 9ers. If we have to cut him it won't be because we drafted him 3rd. It doesn't matter where he's drafted or drafted at all. It means he wasn't cut out for the NFL.

I think what the front office was focusing on was maximizing the odds that we have a kicker for a Super Bowl run and that rationalized the early round selection. I believe that drafting a kicker in the 7th or an UDFA has lower odds of hitting for a crucial season.

Will he also handle kickoffs?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Will he also handle kickoffs?

No we're going to draft someone in the 2nd round next year for that.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Will he also handle kickoffs?

Yes. He has a very strong leg. Increasing the number of touchbacks will reduce the number of injuries to ST guys covering short kickoffs from Wishnowsky.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
No we are going to cut the Carolina kicker, but if we need to bring him back he's coming to a familiar environment and stadium.

and if we have to cut the new kicker than I think all involved would say it's a bad pick including the 9ers. If we have to cut him it won't be because we drafted him 3rd. It doesn't matter where he's drafted or drafted at all. It means he wasn't cut out for the NFL.

I think what the front office was focusing on was maximizing the odds that we have a kicker for a Super Bowl run and that rationalized the early round selection. I believe that drafting a kicker in the 7th or an UDFA has lower odds of hitting for a crucial season.

Gonzales was an insurance policy in case we couldn't get Moody.

It seems clear Moody was the target all along. If ever there was a guy with a pedigree to handle the pressure and make important kicks, Moody is that guy.

A little tough to see for sure, but I think these are around 47-48 yard kicks.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I definitely was a trade back into round 4 guy, hoping to pick up an extra 5th and 7th and would've been pissed if we missed on Moody.

Trade back into the 4th using what? Next year's picks? They would have had to trade up into the top 10 of the 4th round, because the Patriots drafted a K with the 10th pick.
If the kid wins the job, and plays well, where he was taken will be completely justified.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:
yes. he was the best K in the draft. Do a quick Google search of "best Kicker NFL draft prospects" and you'll see a consensus if not unanimous opinion Moddy was #1. People are mad because they took him in the 3rd. You don't take a K in the 3rd. They did. He's the best. We didn't have a 4th. I'm fine with it now.

would you feel better if we took him with a 4th.. we took him 99. there are only 32 teams. there were only 31 round 1 selections. do the math. this was essentially a 4th round pick. 32*2+31=95.

Is there a stat on how well he does on "clutch" kicks? Like 4Q, and a field goal is needed to take the lead or tie it up? Those are the clutch moments that Gould excelled in, and what I think separates a good kicker from an excellent kicker.
Another stat that'd be interesting is how well he does after a missed field goal. A short memory is needed for an excellent kicker. Not asking for anyone to look it up, it'd just be interesting to see.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
A little tough to see for sure, but I think these are around 47-48 yard kicks.

he's got a leg cannon