Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So you would waste a pick so you can get the worst UDFA kicker.. thats not smart
Who said anything about wasting a pick? Go draft an OT/EDGE/DB/WR etc
These were some of the names still on the board…
saldiveri
freeland
Jones
zavala
daniels
Warren
mcguire
herbig
scott
rush
adebawore
Phillips III
don't tell me for one sec none of those guys could help this team and none of them could become a starter at a vastly more important position.
when 95% of the league is made of of kickers that were UDFAs or LATE day 3 picks…yeah objectively it's a stupid pick.
The thing that's most concerning for me, and obviously, every FO has it's blind spots, but (and this is one example), ShanaLynch, Peters and Tariq said, they not only rank their rookies on their big board but rank them up against the players currently on the team and said, there wasn't a single young T/G that could come in and compete with McKivitz, Pryor and Moore.
That's uh, a bit concerning to me b/c that mentality extends to all positions.
Also, it doesn't appear that John and Kyle seem to care about player tiers as much as other teams appear to do... as they seem to focus primarily on personality and personal connection with the coaches.
It's good and bad IMO. The good part of this philosophy is that you're more likely to hit on a George Kittle, or Fred Warner type player because you're increasing the odds of finding an all-pro caliber person, but the bad is you're not always taking the best players regardless of character. I think we can call this the Reuben Foster effect.
Another frustrating thing is that, if its a bad RB class for example, they take one high... and then don't draft one in a much better class. They don't project future prospects very well.
Maybe this is all tied into what NC is saying, that they just look at the rosters and decide if a rookie could compete with the player they have... but I don't think that's a good strategy for a team with a massive injury problem every year.
Having said all of this, they make up for it every year with UDFA's. I think our UDFA's are better than most teams 3rd-4th rounders. And since they do value character so much now, we have a lot of superstars and the team seems to gel every year.
I think they could improve their drafting strategy while keeping the same level of focus on character. In that sense, I think its fair to criticize Kyle and John.
Yeah, it's a fun topic to discuss around team building. Most teams just add talent, mostly BPA, and let it all sort itself out later via competition. Here, they see a hole, put the horse blinders on and go get him no matter what. What I learned by their player-connection project was, they targeted all the same exact players as the other teams (b/c all but ten weren't drafted). So they 'get it' from a comprehensive perspective. Where they differ is in the valuation of their own players, the players in the draft and where they lay their priorities.
"One does not simply walk in and take Cassius Marsh's [add player name here] job."
They've also had the luxury of doing this knowing in advance, they had at least 6 full off seasons to do it with unlimited support from Jed. That peace of mind gives you the freedom to go against conventional wisdom.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 5, 2023 at 4:07 PM ]
