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tankle104
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Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
I wonder if the same teams that called to say they tried to jump ahead of us to draft Moody, were the same "mystery teams" that had offers on the table for Jimmy G? I get the pick, it's what it is. It just seems like at this point they are trying way too hard to justify making it. I'm more upset with the reach for Latu.
He worked out for 8 different teams, that's pretty much unheard of for kickers. So there were definitely many teams interested based on that alone.
I feel you on the Latu pick though.
Well Jimmy was about to get traded and dropped the surgery bomb and scared everyone off. Lol that was widely reported. It also didn't make sense to trade him for less than a second round pick because we would of got a third for letting him walk, which is exactly how it played out.
but yeah, moody was highly sought after. I don't think it's smoke to cover their behinds for taking a guy in the third.
[ Edited by tankle104 on May 6, 2023 at 2:58 PM ]
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WildBill
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Okay. I'll play. Here is the draft breakdown of your list. At the end of the season we'll see which of these players ended up contributing more to their teams than Moody. There were too many Jones' listed to know who you were talking about.
Haha,...which is exactly what makes it a trash argument. Because when u get to pick 12 guys u're bound to be right with at least a couple of them.
Unless you're putting all of your argument into 1 guy, it's not an argument at all.
If the 49ers had to choose 1,...you choose 1 as well then and let's see who was right.
This-as the saying goes "Even a broken clock is right twice a day."
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Like all drafts it is a crap shoot. You try to pick BPA, but also need. The 49ers are loaded majority of these picks were picked with hindsight in mind. A lot of people here and people like draft prognosticators Kiper only think of value. They don't think of whether that player fits a team's style of play or what they are looking for. Very, very rarely do they mention this. For this pick, we knew nothing about the situation, you only were mesmerized by your draft crush to validate their meaning.
This kicker we don't know if he will work out, but if we get situations like the Cowboys, where the kicker costed them the division and possible top seed, if used a (as people like to reference, the rams kicker) kicker off the street, people are going to say why didn't we......coulda shoulda woulda, the lambs lucked out. Better to go with the saying Chance Favors the Prepared Mind.
The pick was not really a third rounder, it was more a 3rd pick of the forth round. First the argument made was it was a third rounder, then when you mention what I just said, those say well it was a top 100. Others may have tried to jump us. We needed a kicker, not just any, but one that would give us the best chance. The one we traded for is worthless!
We have done worst with a "Third Round pick." I get it, its not a flashy pick. Was I surprised, yes and no, I thought we use pick 102 for the kicker since we did not have a 4th rounder or at least trade back to the fourth round to pick to acquire an additional pick if not this then next. I thought we get an OL like the tackle from BYU, but Lynch said for all to hear before the draft, that they pick players that is possibly better than what we already have on the roster or will be better in a year or two. So that means none of the OT left were either better, had potential and worth the 99, 101, or 102 pick or fit the niners style of play (very important).
Look at the players we picked they fit what we look for, our style. After seven years, you would think people and the media would get it, but they don't, they only see their way.
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NCommand
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by tankle104:
That is a fair assessment and point. The first thing I noticed is we drafted a kicker higher than anyone in a long time. Lol I still don't care though.m
this is like saying drafting a RB in the first is dumb because teams don't do it as much anymore and we have found good ones in UDFA.
Very very good point about rbs taken early.
NY…..before you use the word PLETHORA again, you better check with me
RB's in the 3rd make sense though b/c the league still devalues them so getting a RB in the 3rd, like we saw with S this year, gives you a great shot at getting a top 2 RB/S. That's smart value. With PK and K, they've proven the best come from the latest rounds and as UDFA's. The top picks have flopped with a rare outlier here and there and that's been time tested; b/c their skill set never changes.
We're assuming Moody is that generational PK who'll be on the team for 15 years but probability says the UDFA the Rams took, may end up better. That's the topic...value...not the player himself. Same concept with Wishnowsky (I liked that player too).
It is what it is.
For fun, we should all revisit the the 27 year old Wishnowsky thread as well.
Even Mr. 'Tow the Company Line' wasn't too thrilled with the pick. And he was right...we didn't get a generational P or special teams weapon in the end. We got an old solid P (who can't even take kickoffs), of which, you can get much later in the draft (no fault of his - it's a valuation problem):
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not a huge fan of drafting a P that early.
lol and I said the same about the K this year nor do I play revisionist history. don't get all pissy just because you continually make yourself look foolish
here .
#ARROWUP
I literally said your first instinct was right. Just like it's highly likely it's spot on again.
See, when you think independently and don't just tow the company line, you're more often right than not.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said your first instinct was right. Just like it's highly likely it's spot on again.
See, when you think independently and don't just tow the company line, you're more often right than not.
How's that Bears Ryan Pace rebuild working out? That Khalil Mack trade is just about ready to take off.
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If we picked Fisher with pick 99 and Moody as an UDFA no one would care.
Swap them around and people freak out.
It's the same two players.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said your first instinct was right. Just like it's highly likely it's spot on again.
See, when you think independently and don't just tow the company line, you're more often right than not.
How's that Bears Ryan Pace rebuild working out? That Khalil Mack trade is just about ready to take off.
What about it? Mack was a stud and the case study proved Pace buried that team.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said your first instinct was right. Just like it's highly likely it's spot on again.
See, when you think independently and don't just tow the company line, you're more often right than not.
How's that Bears Ryan Pace rebuild working out? That Khalil Mack trade is just about ready to take off.
What about it? Mack was a stud and the case study proved Pace buried that team.
Didn't you think their path was better than "brick by brick"?
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9ers4eva
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Originally posted by NCommand:
What about it? Mack was a stud and the case study proved Pace buried that team.
For one year he was good. Then blah for two more causing them to trade him for a mid 2 and a late rounder.
Easy to bury the team when you don't get franchise changing production out of a guy you gave multiple firsts for picks for AND huge money to.
if only we had traded the Nick Bosa pick for him.
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What are talking about ?
Everyone toes the company line that doesn't want to make the radical changes he always wants.
Not sIgning Andrew Norwell, not trading for Khalil Mack and not giving Jimmy G a full Northern Illinois spread offense is what has kept the 9ers from that ring.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What are talking about ?
Everyone toes the company line that doesn't want to make the radical changes he always wants.
Not sIgning Andrew Norwell, not trading for Khalil Mack and not giving Jimmy G a full Northern Illinois spread offense is what has kept the 9ers from that ring.
Jimmy would have still missed Sanders.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What are talking about ?
Everyone toes the company line that doesn't want to make the radical changes he always wants.
Not sIgning Andrew Norwell, not trading for Khalil Mack and not giving Jimmy G a full Northern Illinois spread offense is what has kept the 9ers from that ring.
How big is that toe?
Not sure why you're so desperate to bring up topics from 15 years ago but you're reaching badly. You can't even remember the premise of any of these. Norwell was a 24 year old all pro guard available in FA (very rare) during a time we were rebuilding and had loads of cash, Pace and Lynch started the same time and had two different philosophies on personnel building, and Mack was a difference maker (we went Ford instead) and it was confirmed by Allbright this FO never even put in a bid for him. And yes, it was a wild theory to think adding more spread concepts would aid a QB who played in that system his entire life until he came here. Wild.
If you're desperate to find areas where I was wrong, just ask, I can give you a list. LOL.
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said your first instinct was right. Just like it's highly likely it's spot on again.
See, when you think independently and don't just tow the company line, you're more often right than not.
What are talking about ?
When you don't tow the company line and think independently, as rare as it is, you've been right! You weren't a fan of P pickup and you're not a fan of the PK pickup. That wasn't so hard, was it?