Jake Moody-K-Michigan 3rd Round 2023 Draft

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean it's by far the most controversial. How often in the last two decades has a kicker been drafted in the third round or higher…… if he isn't a damn good kicker then the 49ers deserve all the rightful criticism that comes with doing that. That's just the truth of it

I mean #99 is really the top of the 4th. A kicker's been taken in the 1st round even,...it all depends on how much of a weapon you feel you really have for years to come. The extra FA signing that he might allow on a yearly basis could be tremendous the next 4 years. We'll see.

Oh here we go with that crap again. No, it's really called a third round pick and he was drafted on day two, not day three when the 4th round begins.

It's pick #99....the round doesn't matter,...the slotting does.

Traditionally w/32 teams or less....the 99th pick is an early 4th round pick.

Sorry for you if you really have convinced yourself that calling the #99 overall pick a "3rd rounder" puts some extra sauce on things,...but a "round" doesn't really say much.

If anything,...it gives a little assistance to people that aren't too great with numbers.

If the round doesn't matter, then why the need for saying essentially a 4th rounder? Traditional doesn't exist anymore with comp picks. The simple truth is that people say "essentially" a round later to make themselves feel better about the pick or In last year's case with Hufanga, try to make it sound worse. It is what it is, Moody was a 3rd round pick, a comp pick, but still a 3rd round comp pick. Not an essential 4th rounder. Hufanga was a 5th round pick, not an essential 6th rounder. There's no arguing it. You can spin it how you want to make yourself feel better. How the hell am I putting extra sauce on it? I didn't make the rules or come up with comp picks. Aren't too great with numbers? Or are people not too great with accepting the FACT that he was a 3rd round pick?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean it's by far the most controversial. How often in the last two decades has a kicker been drafted in the third round or higher…… if he isn't a damn good kicker then the 49ers deserve all the rightful criticism that comes with doing that. That's just the truth of it

I mean #99 is really the top of the 4th. A kicker's been taken in the 1st round even,...it all depends on how much of a weapon you feel you really have for years to come. The extra FA signing that he might allow on a yearly basis could be tremendous the next 4 years. We'll see.

Oh here we go with that crap again. No, it's really called a third round pick and he was drafted on day two, not day three when the 4th round begins.

It's pick #99....the round doesn't matter,...the slotting does.

Traditionally w/32 teams or less....the 99th pick is an early 4th round pick.

Sorry for you if you really have convinced yourself that calling the #99 overall pick a "3rd rounder" puts some extra sauce on things,...but a "round" doesn't really say much.

If anything,...it gives a little assistance to people that aren't too great with numbers.

If the round doesn't matter, then why the need for saying essentially a 4th rounder? Traditional doesn't exist anymore with comp picks. The simple truth is that people say "essentially" a round later to make themselves feel better about the pick or In last year's case with Hufanga, try to make it sound worse. It is what it is, Moody was a 3rd round pick, a comp pick, but still a 3rd round comp pick. Not an essential 4th rounder. Hufanga was a 5th round pick, not an essential 6th rounder. There's no arguing it. You can spin it how you want to make yourself feel better. How the hell am I putting extra sauce on it? I didn't make the rules or come up with comp picks. Aren't too great with numbers? Or are people not too great with accepting the FACT that he was a 3rd round pick?

808, don't make me bust out the draft pick value chart on your behind



but real difference between round 3 pick 65 and rnd 3 pick 99

pick 65 is worth 265
pick 99 is worth 104

so 99 is not even half of early 3rd, also this value chart has pick 99 as a round 4 pick; probably doesn't account for all these comp selections

https://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick 65 would have been a tough sell, pick 99 makes a lot more sense, especially considering there was no round 4 pick that we controlled

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean it's by far the most controversial. How often in the last two decades has a kicker been drafted in the third round or higher…… if he isn't a damn good kicker then the 49ers deserve all the rightful criticism that comes with doing that. That's just the truth of it

I mean #99 is really the top of the 4th. A kicker's been taken in the 1st round even,...it all depends on how much of a weapon you feel you really have for years to come. The extra FA signing that he might allow on a yearly basis could be tremendous the next 4 years. We'll see.

Oh here we go with that crap again. No, it's really called a third round pick and he was drafted on day two, not day three when the 4th round begins.

It's pick #99....the round doesn't matter,...the slotting does.

Traditionally w/32 teams or less....the 99th pick is an early 4th round pick.

Sorry for you if you really have convinced yourself that calling the #99 overall pick a "3rd rounder" puts some extra sauce on things,...but a "round" doesn't really say much.

If anything,...it gives a little assistance to people that aren't too great with numbers.

If the round doesn't matter, then why the need for saying essentially a 4th rounder? Traditional doesn't exist anymore with comp picks. The simple truth is that people say "essentially" a round later to make themselves feel better about the pick or In last year's case with Hufanga, try to make it sound worse. It is what it is, Moody was a 3rd round pick, a comp pick, but still a 3rd round comp pick. Not an essential 4th rounder. Hufanga was a 5th round pick, not an essential 6th rounder. There's no arguing it. You can spin it how you want to make yourself feel better. How the hell am I putting extra sauce on it? I didn't make the rules or come up with comp picks. Aren't too great with numbers? Or are people not too great with accepting the FACT that he was a 3rd round pick?

808, don't make me bust out the draft pick value chart on your behind



but real difference between round 3 pick 65 and rnd 3 pick 99

pick 65 is worth 265
pick 99 is worth 104

so 99 is not even half of early 3rd, also this value chart has pick 99 as a round 4 pick; probably doesn't account for all these comp selections

https://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick 65 would have been a tough sell, pick 99 makes a lot more sense, especially considering there was no round 4 pick that we controlled

Bust out whatever chart you want and use whatever rationale you want to feel better; doesn't change anything I said. Moody was still a THIRD round comp pick drafted on day 2 when rounds 2-3 is announced. Fact

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Bust out whatever chart you want and use whatever rationale you want to feel better; doesn't change anything I said. Moody was still a THIRD round comp pick drafted on day 2 when rounds 2-3 is announced. Fact

yeah you didn't say anything wrong. I am good with Jake Moody as a comp round 3 guy. Round 4 is where we target some of these specialists, like Wish I believe, but we just didn't have a 4th rounder here.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean it's by far the most controversial. How often in the last two decades has a kicker been drafted in the third round or higher…… if he isn't a damn good kicker then the 49ers deserve all the rightful criticism that comes with doing that. That's just the truth of it

I mean #99 is really the top of the 4th. A kicker's been taken in the 1st round even,...it all depends on how much of a weapon you feel you really have for years to come. The extra FA signing that he might allow on a yearly basis could be tremendous the next 4 years. We'll see.

Oh here we go with that crap again. No, it's really called a third round pick and he was drafted on day two, not day three when the 4th round begins.

It's pick #99....the round doesn't matter,...the slotting does.

Traditionally w/32 teams or less....the 99th pick is an early 4th round pick.

Sorry for you if you really have convinced yourself that calling the #99 overall pick a "3rd rounder" puts some extra sauce on things,...but a "round" doesn't really say much.

If anything,...it gives a little assistance to people that aren't too great with numbers.

If the round doesn't matter, then why the need for saying essentially a 4th rounder? Traditional doesn't exist anymore with comp picks. The simple truth is that people say "essentially" a round later to make themselves feel better about the pick or In last year's case with Hufanga, try to make it sound worse. It is what it is, Moody was a 3rd round pick, a comp pick, but still a 3rd round comp pick. Not an essential 4th rounder. Hufanga was a 5th round pick, not an essential 6th rounder. There's no arguing it. You can spin it how you want to make yourself feel better. How the hell am I putting extra sauce on it? I didn't make the rules or come up with comp picks. Aren't too great with numbers? Or are people not too great with accepting the FACT that he was a 3rd round pick?

808, don't make me bust out the draft pick value chart on your behind



but real difference between round 3 pick 65 and rnd 3 pick 99

pick 65 is worth 265
pick 99 is worth 104

so 99 is not even half of early 3rd, also this value chart has pick 99 as a round 4 pick; probably doesn't account for all these comp selections

https://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick 65 would have been a tough sell, pick 99 makes a lot more sense, especially considering there was no round 4 pick that we controlled

Bust out whatever chart you want and use whatever rationale you want to feel better; doesn't change anything I said. Moody was still a THIRD round comp pick drafted on day 2 when rounds 2-3 is announced. Fact

I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I mean it's by far the most controversial. How often in the last two decades has a kicker been drafted in the third round or higher…… if he isn't a damn good kicker then the 49ers deserve all the rightful criticism that comes with doing that. That's just the truth of it

I mean #99 is really the top of the 4th. A kicker's been taken in the 1st round even,...it all depends on how much of a weapon you feel you really have for years to come. The extra FA signing that he might allow on a yearly basis could be tremendous the next 4 years. We'll see.

Oh here we go with that crap again. No, it's really called a third round pick and he was drafted on day two, not day three when the 4th round begins.

It's pick #99....the round doesn't matter,...the slotting does.

Traditionally w/32 teams or less....the 99th pick is an early 4th round pick.

Sorry for you if you really have convinced yourself that calling the #99 overall pick a "3rd rounder" puts some extra sauce on things,...but a "round" doesn't really say much.

If anything,...it gives a little assistance to people that aren't too great with numbers.

If the round doesn't matter, then why the need for saying essentially a 4th rounder? Traditional doesn't exist anymore with comp picks. The simple truth is that people say "essentially" a round later to make themselves feel better about the pick or In last year's case with Hufanga, try to make it sound worse. It is what it is, Moody was a 3rd round pick, a comp pick, but still a 3rd round comp pick. Not an essential 4th rounder. Hufanga was a 5th round pick, not an essential 6th rounder. There's no arguing it. You can spin it how you want to make yourself feel better. How the hell am I putting extra sauce on it? I didn't make the rules or come up with comp picks. Aren't too great with numbers? Or are people not too great with accepting the FACT that he was a 3rd round pick?

808, don't make me bust out the draft pick value chart on your behind



but real difference between round 3 pick 65 and rnd 3 pick 99

pick 65 is worth 265
pick 99 is worth 104

so 99 is not even half of early 3rd, also this value chart has pick 99 as a round 4 pick; probably doesn't account for all these comp selections

https://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick 65 would have been a tough sell, pick 99 makes a lot more sense, especially considering there was no round 4 pick that we controlled

Bust out whatever chart you want and use whatever rationale you want to feel better; doesn't change anything I said. Moody was still a THIRD round comp pick drafted on day 2 when rounds 2-3 is announced. Fact

I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

This

Moody was likely overdrafted but it's also a comp pick. Both things can be true.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Moody was likely overdrafted but it's also a comp pick. Both things can be true.

i question if 'overdrafted' means anything, other than what happens with your bank account

i don't think Moody is sitting there avail to draft with our round 5 picks.. so we took him where we needed to, if we wanted the player

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

The majority of those folks have never seen those guys play so they comment from from a place of ignorance. They just wanted the position addressed and didn't care who the player was. There is a myopia about OL on this forum that permeates multiple posters to the detriment of every other position on this team. Thankfully Shanny and Lynch don't share that myopia on OL (Their myopia on RB however.)

That said a vet to give Colton competition would be a valuable addition if the money can be agreed to.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

The majority of those folks have never seen those guys play so they comment from from a place of ignorance. They just wanted the position addressed and didn't care who the player was. There is a myopia about OL on this forum that permeates multiple posters to the detriment of every other position on this team. Thankfully Shanny and Lynch don't share that myopia on OL (Their myopia on RB however.)

That said a vet to give Colton competition would be a valuable addition if the money can be agreed to.

LOL. Yes, thankfully they don't share that team building strategy. #Bridesmaid

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Moody was likely overdrafted but it's also a comp pick. Both things can be true.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Moody was likely overdrafted but it's also a comp pick. Both things can be true.

Agreed.

Seems reasonable to me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Yes, thankfully they don't share that team building strategy. #Bridesmaid

Ill take their building strategy over the Ryan Pace favored ones that you enjoy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

The majority of those folks have never seen those guys play so they comment from from a place of ignorance. They just wanted the position addressed and didn't care who the player was. There is a myopia about OL on this forum that permeates multiple posters to the detriment of every other position on this team. Thankfully Shanny and Lynch don't share that myopia on OL (Their myopia on RB however.)

That said a vet to give Colton competition would be a valuable addition if the money can be agreed to.

I agree, I also think that they just look at the draft pick in and of itself, without applying context.
such as:

1. team needed a kicker
2. pick 99 (100 top players gone)
3. We didn't have a fourth rounder
4. other teams were trying to move up to snag him
5. you could make a legitimate argument that he was the best player left on the board
6. Team loved him and coveted him

etc etc. i understand in theory that spending a third on a kicker isn't ideal but when you factor everything in, there is no reason to be upset.. or even remotely upset. Lol he will probably be the best pick in the draft because of how much he'll contribute.

when he nails a 60 yarder to win the Super Bowl, we will all love him. Muahahah

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I think there is a big difference between using an early to mid 3rd rounder and using a comp 3rd rounder. Then when you factor in the reality that we didn't have a fourth rounder and wouldn't of been able to get the guy we wanted, it makes perfect sense to take him with pick 99. I mean, the top 100 players were essentially gone at this point in a weak draft. Lol idk why anyone is upset we took the best player at a position of need over a project o lineman.

A lot of folks are also assuming that Mckivitz is going to suck and that drafted a project o lineman is needed. What if mckivitz has a season like Brendel did? Or better? There is a good chance that mckivitz has a really good season and drafting a future RT becomes a non factor. That would make this kicker pick look even better.

The majority of those folks have never seen those guys play so they comment from from a place of ignorance. They just wanted the position addressed and didn't care who the player was. There is a myopia about OL on this forum that permeates multiple posters to the detriment of every other position on this team. Thankfully Shanny and Lynch don't share that myopia on OL (Their myopia on RB however.)

That said a vet to give Colton competition would be a valuable addition if the money can be agreed to.

I agree, I also think that they just look at the draft pick in and of itself, without applying context.
such as:

1. team needed a kicker
2. pick 99 (100 top players gone)
3. We didn't have a fourth rounder
4. other teams were trying to move up to snag him
5. you could make a legitimate argument that he was the best player left on the board
6. Team loved him and coveted him

etc etc. i understand in theory that spending a third on a kicker isn't ideal but when you factor everything in, there is no reason to be upset.. or even remotely upset. Lol he will probably be the best pick in the draft because of how much he'll contribute.

when he nails a 60 yarder to win the Super Bowl, we will all love him. Muahahah

Another way of looking at it; He is probably the only real day 1 starter that we drafted this year.