Jake Moody-K-Michigan 3rd Round 2023 Draft

Here is an article on on Jake Moody by a former kicker and his take on why Ray A. failed and why Moody has a better chance succeeding.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/15/23723503/jay-feely-jake-moody-49ers

People feel we should have taken a Tackle (or name your pos). However they keep failing to comprehend two principles and won't accept that. While the niners feel they can get a player with the value later (there is that word again)

1) Does the player fit their way/concept of playing.
2) Can that player beat out those currently on the roster either now or in the foreseeable future?

A lot of people and the media forget that-they only want to grade overall and never consider if they fit schematically. Yet they talk about the player and he is a good zone this or gap that, totally forgetting that the team doesn't run that way.

Kicker's are like the OL in that they are not appreciated when they do their job, but become infamous when they don't. Case in point that I have like a broken record stated is the Cowboys Kicker.

You want the best odds of succeeding. It is a forth round pick-just let it play out. If at the end of his tenure he is extended, it was a good pick. If he is cut before reaching the end of his contract it was a bad pick. If he is consistent and hits game winners majority of the time or makes the Pro bowl I am satisfied.

Better than some of the 3rd, 2nd and 1st round picks that have failed us.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what if BPA was Sermon/TDP?

in other words, what we've been doing in round 3 for a couple years now

rather have Moody

you are getting into the weeds with oh they are valuing him at x,y,z.. since 2000..

it's not that complicated, we needed a kicker, he was the guy they wanted, he wasn't gonna be there in round 5

How is that getting into the weeds? It's the truth and not some hard thing to figure out. Teams don't draft a kicker high. Period.

I'll take a RB over a kicker any day…If you hit there, you got a $12M player dirt cheap. You hit on a kicker, that's a $4M player.

Try to twist it as much as you want. Toss out what ifs, doesn't change that fact that it was an arrogant pick with limited upside. He doesn't get years to develop like anyone else. He's either gonna be good right off the bat or SF will be looking for a new kicker asap.

We got CMC, Mitchell and others not to mention some of the UDFA this year that have been signed thus far been positives. Kyle and Co. do best when the RB are very late or UDFA-3rd round not so much. So that is more of a waste than a kicker in the 4th round.

Arrogant pick, no. Limited upside? That depends on whether he accomplishes what they hope.

this would be us if we didn't draft a pk

article is titled 'Cowboys ST coordinator John Fassel considering 'anybody else on earth' for potential kicker addition'.. from NFL .com

"Well, we've got Tristan on the roster. Anybody else on earth who is not on the team right now is under consideration," Fassel said Saturday. "That's everybody really. ... That could be a lot of different guys that we're still looking at -- XFL, USFL, veterans on the street, younger guys who still haven't found a way."

If you're on Earth, you have a shot to be the Cowboys kicker. Congratulations!

Originally posted by WildBill:

Here is an article on on Jake Moody by a former kicker and his take on why Ray A. failed and why Moody has a better chance succeeding.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/15/23723503/jay-feely-jake-moody-49ers

People feel we should have taken a Tackle (or name your pos). However they keep failing to comprehend two principles and won't accept that. While the niners feel they can get a player with the value later (there is that word again)

1) Does the player fit their way/concept of playing.
2) Can that player beat out those currently on the roster either now or in the foreseeable future?

A lot of people and the media forget that-they only want to grade overall and never consider if they fit schematically. Yet they talk about the player and he is a good zone this or gap that, totally forgetting that the team doesn't run that way.

Kicker's are like the OL in that they are not appreciated when they do their job, but become infamous when they don't. Case in point that I have like a broken record stated is the Cowboys Kicker.

You want the best odds of succeeding. It is a forth round pick-just let it play out. If at the end of his tenure he is extended, it was a good pick. If he is cut before reaching the end of his contract it was a bad pick. If he is consistent and hits game winners majority of the time or makes the Pro bowl I am satisfied.

Better than some of the 3rd, 2nd and 1st round picks that have failed us.

Really good interview. I agree with Feeley. Again, as a former kicker, I can look at a guy and immediately get a much better idea of his chance of success than the average person would.

You just know what it's supposed to look like. You know what that textbook form looks like.

There are a number of fine details to kicking a football with consistent accuracy. Just like a quarterback, you have to bust your butt on technique to the point where everything becomes all automatic muscle memory. But more than that, like Jay said, when something does go wrong, just like a QB you can't lose your focus/composure or things will unravel badly.

Can't recall which page I went over the video of his kicks, but to reiterate on what I saw, there were no concerning issues.

Him and Ryland looked like legit pro prospects. I wasn't high on Christopher Dunn. No lift on his kicks. Peyton Henry from Washington also didn't stand out either. His follow through was good, but was not a fan of his bouncing stance which seemed to often cause a pause every time before approaching the ball. Not good when his movement seemed too slow already to me for the NFL.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
well i do find it odd you think a comp 3rd on a K is reckless

meanwhile at QB we have pick 262 as the deemed QB1 by the org over a 3 ones investment and you are the "this is fine" meme

Top 100 pick when they don't have a 1st or 2nd. let's get it right at least. It was an arrogant pick saying they didn't need anything else more than a f**king kicker.

where have I said it was fine? I wanted Lance to play from day 1. I accepted when we moved up for a QB that whomever it was there was gonna be a growth period full of ups and downs. I never expected it to be Mahomes 40TDs and 4000 yards the moment he stepped on the field. Unlike a lot of people I was patient there.

again why you keep trying to compare a kicker to a QB is beyond me…all that shows me is you're trying to toss out whataboutisms that couldn't be more unrelatable.

all I said was Gould was an UDFA when someone tried to bring up context. You're over here in right field talking to yourself about whatever.

RARE that I actually agree w/NY's posts..

EVERYONE here were laughing of MY idea to draft Evan McPherson in the 5th or even 4th three years ago, but yet, the same fans are staying silent after Shanny and Lynch drafts Booty Moody in the 3rd..

is this team actually a PK away from a Super Bowl that we can't point out other weaknesses or a possible player that can come in and play just in case the starter gets injured?

Using a 3rd round compensatory is about he same as a 4th rounder. If this had been a strong draft with deeper talent I don't think they would have darted him as high. My guess is they looked at the talent on the board and didn't think anyone remaining would give them as much help as Moody.

There was a 6'8 OT on the board after both of our 3rd rounders that was supposed to go in round 1, not to mention 3-5 corners and 1-2 DE's that would probably start on our team.

I wasn't a fan of the Moody pick, and I'm still not a fan, but the Latu pick was much worse IMO.

I just think that the Brick After Brick Brothers are bad when it comes to planning.. I believe that both are clueless when it comes to finding what the team really needs to go that next level..

Wow Moon. Just an accident that they got from the roster they inherited to where they are now. It's a miracle! LOL

HOW high have your grades on them when it comes to drafting players?

If they are so bad, why are we in the playoffs and had a Super Bowl appearance! that could have been won but simply couldn't finish? Especially when they inherited a swamp of a team. Look around the league. I will take them.

EVERYTEAM MISSES. Look around the league. Hindsight is 20/20. Easy to second guess. All those teams that missed on Purdy, Pat, Brady or Marino.

All those teams that wish they were us (majority).

I just BOLDED you what the main problem is.. since it's obvious that you don't mind stating the obvious.. " ALMOST !! "

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
well i do find it odd you think a comp 3rd on a K is reckless

meanwhile at QB we have pick 262 as the deemed QB1 by the org over a 3 ones investment and you are the "this is fine" meme

Top 100 pick when they don't have a 1st or 2nd. let's get it right at least. It was an arrogant pick saying they didn't need anything else more than a f**king kicker.

where have I said it was fine? I wanted Lance to play from day 1. I accepted when we moved up for a QB that whomever it was there was gonna be a growth period full of ups and downs. I never expected it to be Mahomes 40TDs and 4000 yards the moment he stepped on the field. Unlike a lot of people I was patient there.

again why you keep trying to compare a kicker to a QB is beyond me…all that shows me is you're trying to toss out whataboutisms that couldn't be more unrelatable.

all I said was Gould was an UDFA when someone tried to bring up context. You're over here in right field talking to yourself about whatever.

RARE that I actually agree w/NY's posts..

EVERYONE here were laughing of MY idea to draft Evan McPherson in the 5th or even 4th three years ago, but yet, the same fans are staying silent after Shanny and Lynch drafts Booty Moody in the 3rd..

is this team actually a PK away from a Super Bowl that we can't point out other weaknesses or a possible player that can come in and play just in case the starter gets injured?

Using a 3rd round compensatory is about he same as a 4th rounder. If this had been a strong draft with deeper talent I don't think they would have darted him as high. My guess is they looked at the talent on the board and didn't think anyone remaining would give them as much help as Moody.

There was a 6'8 OT on the board after both of our 3rd rounders that was supposed to go in round 1, not to mention 3-5 corners and 1-2 DE's that would probably start on our team.

I wasn't a fan of the Moody pick, and I'm still not a fan, but the Latu pick was much worse IMO.

I just think that the Brick After Brick Brothers are bad when it comes to planning.. I believe that both are clueless when it comes to finding what the team really needs to go that next level..

Wow Moon. Just an accident that they got from the roster they inherited to where they are now. It's a miracle! LOL

HOW high have your grades on them when it comes to drafting players?

If they are so bad, why are we in the playoffs and had a Super Bowl appearance! that could have been won but simply couldn't finish? Especially when they inherited a swamp of a team. Look around the league. I will take them.

EVERYTEAM MISSES. Look around the league. Hindsight is 20/20. Easy to second guess. All those teams that missed on Purdy, Pat, Brady or Marino.

All those teams that wish they were us (majority).

I just BOLDED you what the main problem is.. since it's obvious that you don't mind stating the obvious.. " ALMOST !! "

i'm sure an fringe 3rd round 6'8 OT that probably won't be here next year will get us over the hump

also, you can't get ALMOST if you are not actually playing for anything

Originally posted by WildBill:
Here is an article on on Jake Moody by a former kicker and his take on why Ray A. failed and why Moody has a better chance succeeding.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/15/23723503/jay-feely-jake-moody-49ers

Thanks so much for sharing. Really insightful.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Here is an article on on Jake Moody by a former kicker and his take on why Ray A. failed and why Moody has a better chance succeeding.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/15/23723503/jay-feely-jake-moody-49ers

People feel we should have taken a Tackle (or name your pos). However they keep failing to comprehend two principles and won't accept that. While the niners feel they can get a player with the value later (there is that word again)

1) Does the player fit their way/concept of playing.
2) Can that player beat out those currently on the roster either now or in the foreseeable future?

A lot of people and the media forget that-they only want to grade overall and never consider if they fit schematically. Yet they talk about the player and he is a good zone this or gap that, totally forgetting that the team doesn't run that way.

Kicker's are like the OL in that they are not appreciated when they do their job, but become infamous when they don't. Case in point that I have like a broken record stated is the Cowboys Kicker.

You want the best odds of succeeding. It is a forth round pick-just let it play out. If at the end of his tenure he is extended, it was a good pick. If he is cut before reaching the end of his contract it was a bad pick. If he is consistent and hits game winners majority of the time or makes the Pro bowl I am satisfied.

Better than some of the 3rd, 2nd and 1st round picks that have failed us.

Great post!

Originally posted by WildBill:
Here is an article on on Jake Moody by a former kicker and his take on why Ray A. failed and why Moody has a better chance succeeding.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/5/15/23723503/jay-feely-jake-moody-49ers

People feel we should have taken a Tackle (or name your pos). However they keep failing to comprehend two principles and won't accept that. While the niners feel they can get a player with the value later (there is that word again)

1) Does the player fit their way/concept of playing.
2) Can that player beat out those currently on the roster either now or in the foreseeable future?

A lot of people and the media forget that-they only want to grade overall and never consider if they fit schematically. Yet they talk about the player and he is a good zone this or gap that, totally forgetting that the team doesn't run that way.

Kicker's are like the OL in that they are not appreciated when they do their job, but become infamous when they don't. Case in point that I have like a broken record stated is the Cowboys Kicker.

You want the best odds of succeeding. It is a forth round pick-just let it play out. If at the end of his tenure he is extended, it was a good pick. If he is cut before reaching the end of his contract it was a bad pick. If he is consistent and hits game winners majority of the time or makes the Pro bowl I am satisfied.

Better than some of the 3rd, 2nd and 1st round picks that have failed us.

Good points about how Moody is used to the big stage. The main point I took away from that article is the mental fortitude required to pull out of a slump, or missing a clutch kick and not getting the yips. I never thought about how a kicker might miss a clutch kick, then on Monday morning the entire team facility is feeling down about the loss, but the kicker needs to push past that in order to be focused for the next time the opportunity presents itself to make a clutch kick. That does not sound easy. Almost have to be 'dumb', in a way, and just focus on the moment.

71 pages for a kicker!!! Discussion should be as simple as this:

He kick good....good.

He kick bad....no good....bye bye....new kicker hello.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
71 pages for a kicker!!! Discussion should be as simple as this:

He kick good....good.

He kick bad....no good....bye bye....new kicker hello.

I'll be here for the moment someone says, "sure the kick was good, but it wasn't down the middle"

Originally posted by Kolohe:
71 pages for a kicker!!! Discussion should be as simple as this:

He kick good....good.

He kick bad....no good....bye bye....new kicker hello.

he kick 60+ yd fg...

I'm always amazed at how concerned people are about where a player is picked and how he performs based on that. I get that in theory the higher picked players are supposed to be better but on the field where they're picked is irrelevant. Other than the first round pick, I never watch games and say that guy's pretty good but he's not playing like a 3rd rounder or whatever. I don't care as long as they play well. Even first rounders often fail, especially after the first 15 picks.

As far as Moody goes. if he performs well and makes kicks that help us win then he's done his job. If he kicks a game winner I'm not going to say great but he wasn't worth a 3rd round pick.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm always amazed at how concerned people are about where a player is picked and how he performs based on that. I get that in theory the higher picked players are supposed to be better but on the field where they're picked is irrelevant. Other than the first round pick, I never watch games and say that guy's pretty good but he's not playing like a 3rd rounder or whatever. I don't care as long as they play well. Even first rounders often fail, especially after the first 15 picks.

As far as Moody goes. if he performs well and makes kicks that help us win then he's done his job. If he kicks a game winner I'm not going to say great but he wasn't worth a 3rd round pick.

I agree I don't subscribe to the oh a lot of kickers are udfa, therefore we overpaid..
I made the point that if the NFL knew who Justin Tucker was, how good he would be, they would have selected him round 1, maybe top 10
not saying Moody is Tucker, just making a broader point, that kickers can have early 1st value, particularly when a lot of those early first give a Solomon Thomas return on investment

Moody's judgement, you need to figure how much value the typical pick 99 generates and he simply needs to exceed that to be a worthwhile pick

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
71 pages for a kicker!!! Discussion should be as simple as this:

He kick good....good.

He kick bad....no good....bye bye....new kicker hello.

I'll be here for the moment someone says, "sure the kick was good, but it wasn't down the middle"

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