Joe Montana or Steve Young?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by kray28:
Steve is my favorite, but Joe was the better QB.

This.

8 was a better passer, but Joe was just 10x better overall..

Joe had the clutch gene. I agree Steve was the better passer and the better athlete overall, but for whatever reason came up short in big moments.

I'll always be a Young fan though. Grew up with those 90s Niners, and to me Steve > Joe.

THE REASON for Steve Young's short comings - both George and Mooch.. those coaches are pretty much like Shanahan, they couldn't figure it out..

Steve in fact shoulda won 4 Super Bowls if it wasn't for George and Mooch..

True. Plus the Cowboys and Packers of that era were designed specifically to counter our offense. Not surprising after that run in the 80s that the Niners would be everyone's target going forward. Definitely should have won in 92, 95, and 97. I'll give Dallas 93. I'll give GB 96. I'll give Atl 98.

I don't blame Seifert as much as I do front management. Unlike Kyle, who boasts the best unit in the league pretty much every year (and still fails), the 49ers of the 90s relied HEAVILY on Steve and Jerry to carry the weight. They got rid of a lot of key players (Watters, Deion, Floyd, Haley, etc) when they shouldn't have.

Mooch I don't blame at all. He pretty much dealt with a team going into salary cap hell and still squeezed out quality years from Garcia and TO up until 2002.

Yes

Originally posted by Montana:
I got to see Joe and Jerry in February. Joe seemed very nice, playing catch with fans..taking pictures with ppl, when that crowd was absolutely insane, all trying to get a glimpse of him. He seems more of a reserved type..maybe that is what it is? Maybe misunderstood? Idk.
It would have been cool to see him on that stage a while back with Steve, Brock, Smith and Garcia though. Seemed kinda incomplete without him there idk.

Jerry was definitely less reserved, super nice, chill and just seemed really down to earth. And he certainly loves the 49ers. Very interactive and damn, that guy has style! Lol

I'm wondering if the fact he played for KC and KC has beat the 49ers twice, affects his 49er relationship.

Chefs didn't beat Niners twice, nfl beat Niners twice.
#NoHoldingCalls

Love Steve but Joe is the history book of starting the 9er dynasty. I was young and didn't really have a male role model in my life at the time. I did not care for sports too much. Then came Joe and the 9ers. I was a band wagon fan. It was fun. Decades later I owe all my love for 9ers, football and sports to Joe. What an awesome time to live thru it. No internet but when they stepped on the field you expected a win. It was unreal.

Then Steve, maybe he was my favorite but the dynasty card and 9ers history goes Joe.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by kray28:
Steve is my favorite, but Joe was the better QB.

This.

8 was a better passer, but Joe was just 10x better overall..

Joe had the clutch gene. I agree Steve was the better passer and the better athlete overall, but for whatever reason came up short in big moments.

I'll always be a Young fan though. Grew up with those 90s Niners, and to me Steve > Joe.

THE REASON for Steve Young's short comings - both George and Mooch.. those coaches are pretty much like Shanahan, they couldn't figure it out..

Steve in fact shoulda won 4 Super Bowls if it wasn't for George and Mooch..

True. Plus the Cowboys and Packers of that era were designed specifically to counter our offense. Not surprising after that run in the 80s that the Niners would be everyone's target going forward. Definitely should have won in 92, 95, and 97. I'll give Dallas 93. I'll give GB 96. I'll give Atl 98.

I don't blame Seifert as much as I do front management. Unlike Kyle, who boasts the best unit in the league pretty much every year (and still fails), the 49ers of the 90s relied HEAVILY on Steve and Jerry to carry the weight. They got rid of a lot of key players (Watters, Deion, Floyd, Haley, etc) when they shouldn't have.

Mooch I don't blame at all. He pretty much dealt with a team going into salary cap hell and still squeezed out quality years from Garcia and TO up until 2002.

WHAT year was the time we had Woodson... we had the best talent a team could had that year and Mooch and his Stupid Fun Games did not know how to deal with Holmgren and the Packers..

We have beaten Denver that year on a Monday Night and we would have beaten them again had Mooch was not a dumb ALL TV coach..

Joe beat Steve when the Chiefs played the Niners in1994, 24-14.

Watch the highlights and you see how tentative Steve Yong was when passing in the pocket and that happened far too regularly in big games.

Steve Young was his own worst enemy.

Montana was always smooth in the pocket.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Joe beat Steve when the Chiefs played the Niners in1994, 24-14.

Watch the highlights and you see how tentative Steve Yong was when passing in the pocket and that happened far too regularly in big games.

Steve Young was his own worst enemy.

Montana was always smooth in the pocket.

Wasn't Young missing his entire starting oline that game ? From my understanding he was pounded by KC's dline all game and gained a lot of respect from his teammates for hanging in there…

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by kray28:
Steve is my favorite, but Joe was the better QB.

This.

8 was a better passer, but Joe was just 10x better overall..

Joe had the clutch gene. I agree Steve was the better passer and the better athlete overall, but for whatever reason came up short in big moments.

I'll always be a Young fan though. Grew up with those 90s Niners, and to me Steve > Joe.

THE REASON for Steve Young's short comings - both George and Mooch.. those coaches are pretty much like Shanahan, they couldn't figure it out..

Steve in fact shoulda won 4 Super Bowls if it wasn't for George and Mooch..

True. Plus the Cowboys and Packers of that era were designed specifically to counter our offense. Not surprising after that run in the 80s that the Niners would be everyone's target going forward. Definitely should have won in 92, 95, and 97. I'll give Dallas 93. I'll give GB 96. I'll give Atl 98.

I don't blame Seifert as much as I do front management. Unlike Kyle, who boasts the best unit in the league pretty much every year (and still fails), the 49ers of the 90s relied HEAVILY on Steve and Jerry to carry the weight. They got rid of a lot of key players (Watters, Deion, Floyd, Haley, etc) when they shouldn't have.

Mooch I don't blame at all. He pretty much dealt with a team going into salary cap hell and still squeezed out quality years from Garcia and TO up until 2002.

WHAT year was the time we had Woodson... we had the best talent a team could had that year and Mooch and his Stupid Fun Games did not know how to deal with Holmgren and the Packers..

We have beaten Denver that year on a Monday Night and we would have beaten them again had Mooch was not a dumb ALL TV coach..

1997. An aging Woodson. An aging Greene. Rice out pretty much the entire season. Yes we should have won that year but came up short in the NFCC game vs GB at home.

That was Mooch's rookie season as coach and he took us to the NFCC game…

Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

I was at every home game from both of these guys and watched every road game on TV Each was great in his own way but for me it will always be Joe. He was the guy in charge when the dynasty started. He was the guy that led so many comebacks. He was the guy that sometimes took a ponding and still managed to win.

He was the guy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

If Deion and Watters stay, we repeat in 95 guaranteed.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

If Deion and Watters stay, we repeat in 95 guaranteed.

I agree with this. JJ stokes was a terrible miss too. Should have taken law or kaufman, I think it was? Imagine if they took Sapp, but no way after going Stubs and Young the prior two years.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

If Deion and Watters stay, we repeat in 95 guaranteed.

I agree with this. JJ stokes was a terrible miss too. Should have taken law or kaufman, I think it was? Imagine if they took Sapp, but no way after going Stubs and Young the prior two years.

IT was Walsh who adviced everyone to move up and take JJ stokes... I still think that he would have been a great player had not for JEFF HAPPY FEET GARCIA often leaving the pocket too soon..

.. but if you want talk about the miss of the draft instead of JJ, it was not Law of Kaufman... it was Ray !!!

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

If Deion and Watters stay, we repeat in 95 guaranteed.

I agree with this. JJ stokes was a terrible miss too. Should have taken law or kaufman, I think it was? Imagine if they took Sapp, but no way after going Stubs and Young the prior two years.

IT was Walsh who adviced everyone to move up and take JJ stokes... I still think that he would have been a great player had not for JEFF HAPPY FEET GARCIA often leaving the pocket too soon..

.. but if you want talk about the miss of the draft instead of JJ, it was not Law of Kaufman... it was Ray !!!

I remember that. Not sure what Walsh was thinking. Kid was so slow!

Ray who? You made me look, not seeing any obvious Ray in 95 but damn Curtis Martin was like 3 rounds later and just saw Tampa got Sapp AND Brooks in that rd 1. epic.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Deion was a free agent mercenary that left because he wanted to. Haley had to go because he was becoming a disruption in the locker room. Floyd was okay but what did he do once he left the Niners and all that talent? He had 79 yards and 2 TDs in 3 seasons at Carolina. Watters should have been kept.

If Deion and Watters stay, we repeat in 95 guaranteed.

I agree with this. JJ stokes was a terrible miss too. Should have taken law or kaufman, I think it was? Imagine if they took Sapp, but no way after going Stubs and Young the prior two years.

IT was Walsh who adviced everyone to move up and take JJ stokes... I still think that he would have been a great player had not for JEFF HAPPY FEET GARCIA often leaving the pocket too soon..

.. but if you want talk about the miss of the draft instead of JJ, it was not Law of Kaufman... it was Ray !!!

I remember that. Not sure what Walsh was thinking. Kid was so slow!

Ray who? You made me look, not seeing any obvious Ray in 95 but damn Curtis Martin was like 3 rounds later and just saw Tampa got Sapp AND Brooks in that rd 1. epic.

Trivia question.How many former Olympians played for the 49ers? There were a couple guys I completely forgot about. How many won a gold medal?