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Joe Montana or Steve Young?

Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by elguapo:
A horrible counterpoint. Sample size muchhhhhhh. This guy is reaching, I kind of feel sorry for him and his flawed arguments. He's completely wrong and that's OK. Please keep in mind, Joe Montana did NOT have Jerry Rice or John Taylor or Brent Jones in his first two Super Bowls.

Or Roger Craig for the first. Which is possibly more important because at wr they had Dwight Clark. But at rb they had Ricky Patton. Here is a link for those who don't remember him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Patton

Patton had bounced around and would last another year or so. By 84 the team was being transformed.

It really doesn't matter, but I still mark Joe as the greatest. Unlike Brady he didn't have to have the games given to him by rule changes and refereeing. I love Steve but definitely a step below Joe.

100% agree English. People should really do a little research before posting. The offensive players Montana had in 81 and 84 weren't that good at all compared to what some of the greatest quarterbacks had at their disposal. (Craig was great, also my favorite player of all time) Also, the skilled players were nothing in Montanas first 2 SBs, absolutely nothing compared to what Steve Young had for his whole career

Not True. The first superbowl, I agree. The 2nd in 84 had Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon, Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig which were better than anything Steve had until Waters came on board. Steve couldn't win anything with Dexter Carter or Kirby. Waters and Hearst were what made the team good enough to win. Once Owens became Owens, Steve had a better WR core, but up until that point... I'd say Montana had an equal or better core to throw to.
[ Edited by Jakemall on Feb 21, 2023 at 6:49 PM ]
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by elguapo:
A horrible counterpoint. Sample size muchhhhhhh. This guy is reaching, I kind of feel sorry for him and his flawed arguments. He's completely wrong and that's OK. Please keep in mind, Joe Montana did NOT have Jerry Rice or John Taylor or Brent Jones in his first two Super Bowls.

Or Roger Craig for the first. Which is possibly more important because at wr they had Dwight Clark. But at rb they had Ricky Patton. Here is a link for those who don't remember him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Patton

Patton had bounced around and would last another year or so. By 84 the team was being transformed.

It really doesn't matter, but I still mark Joe as the greatest. Unlike Brady he didn't have to have the games given to him by rule changes and refereeing. I love Steve but definitely a step below Joe.

100% agree English. People should really do a little research before posting. The offensive players Montana had in 81 and 84 weren't that good at all compared to what some of the greatest quarterbacks had at their disposal. (Craig was great, also my favorite player of all time) Also, the skilled players were nothing in Montanas first 2 SBs, absolutely nothing compared to what Steve Young had for his whole career

JOE will always be THE GOAT in my eyes... and as much as I like Steve, I doubt that he was even considered THE BEST in his era.. so how and why compare the two? NON-SENSE !!

Also, to this day, I do believe that Prime Time got that Super Bowl for us.. w/o him, Dallas would have repeated and Eddie D would have gone crazy for losing 3 straight NFCCG to one team..

as for the best team my eyes have seen, it'll always be the 1984 team... Every Note Was Perfect !! Everyone MADE plays !!
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..

Remember that time people like you said that about Andy Reid? Took Bill Cowher what 13 years? Tony Dungy, Don Shula, Tom Landry all 10+ years.

All of those guys are considered some of the greatest coaches to ever coach. What took those guys so long to win a super bowl? Can't wait to hear your response.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..
isn't a real head coach, but can rebuild a team from scratch and get to a SB and 3 NFCCGs

what a stupid take
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..

Remember that time people like you said that about Andy Reid? Took Bill Cowher what 13 years? Tony Dungy, Don Shula, Tom Landry all 10+ years.

All of those guys are considered some of the greatest coaches to ever coach. What took those guys so long to win a super bowl? Can't wait to hear your response.

Do you not understand my POST??

again, I posted WE (as in the 49ers) will not win a Super Bowl UNDER Shanny.. it means that Shanny won't win one here..

Reid - I didn't think Andy was going to win one in Philly (and he never did) even though I did think that he was going to be a better coach than Mike Holmgren..

Dungy - he did not win a Super Bowl until he was with Peyton Manning, no ?? While Tampa Bay won under another HC.

Cowher; Shula; Landry - I honestly doubt that our owner can wait 13+ years before Shanny wins one..
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..
isn't a real head coach, but can rebuild a team from scratch and get to a SB and 3 NFCCGs

what a stupid take

MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.
Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..
isn't a real head coach, but can rebuild a team from scratch and get to a SB and 3 NFCCGs

what a stupid take

MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

I don't think 9moon can stand the fact that Shanahan is a top head coach in this league. He's gonna die on that hill no matter what
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..

Wow! All this time I thought it was the league bias and the refs that have prevented the 49ers from winning another SB. Now I find out it's Kyle. I just don't know what to believe.
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by Montana:
Sure am missing Joe, Steve & Walsh. Good years. I want more rings damn UT lol

AIN'T gonna happen under Shanny.. . known as The Best Young Mind in Football... but... isn't a real HC..
isn't a real head coach, but can rebuild a team from scratch and get to a SB and 3 NFCCGs

what a stupid take

MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.
which first time HC is winning the SB next year ?
waiting on someone to do a none of the above it was Jeff Garcia style post
Originally posted by 9moon:
Do you not understand my POST??

again, I posted WE (as in the 49ers) will not win a Super Bowl UNDER Shanny.. it means that Shanny won't win one here..

Reid - I didn't think Andy was going to win one in Philly (and he never did) even though I did think that he was going to be a better coach than Mike Holmgren..

Dungy - he did not win a Super Bowl until he was with Peyton Manning, no ?? While Tampa Bay won under another HC.

Cowher; Shula; Landry - I honestly doubt that our owner can wait 13+ years before Shanny wins one..

So you can honestly say you were out on Reid in Philly but knew he'd win it one day with another team. ok bro i believe you

Correct Dungy won when he got Peyton. Dont think Kyle can win one if he got a good QB?
Originally posted by miked1978:
So you can honestly say you were out on Reid in Philly but knew he'd win it one day with another team. ok bro i believe you

Correct Dungy won when he got Peyton. Dont think Kyle can win one if he got a good QB?

Reid won well over 100 in PHI. 100 is big milestone for HC wins. Some HOFers don't have as many wins as Reid had in PHI. This is just the Philly stuff. Not the Mahomes stuff or even the KC Alex stuff. I watched all of Alex career, I was stunned how great a QB he was with Reid. Vick also was a monster with Reid, so was McNabb. So long track record of awesome finding, developing and coaching QBs from Reid. It's not like you just hang around for many years and the Fball gods drop a FQB in your lap, doesn't work that way typically, particularly when are the HC is essentially the GM also..

Want a great QB here and now, KS has to find one, develop one, coach one, keep him upright (he and his team of scouts, FO he puts around him). Walsh had an eye for QB, no accident he got Montana for example, or traded for Steve. It's not a perfect science of course, Walsh also liked Carmazzi, but over time a HC with a great eye will find and develop talent at the position, like all the examples I gave on Reid.
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