Joe Montana or Steve Young?

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by elguapo:
A horrible counterpoint. Sample size muchhhhhhh. This guy is reaching, I kind of feel sorry for him and his flawed arguments. He's completely wrong and that's OK. Please keep in mind, Joe Montana did NOT have Jerry Rice or John Taylor or Brent Jones in his first two Super Bowls.

Or Roger Craig for the first. Which is possibly more important because at wr they had Dwight Clark. But at rb they had Ricky Patton. Here is a link for those who don't remember him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Patton

Patton had bounced around and would last another year or so. By 84 the team was being transformed.

It really doesn't matter, but I still mark Joe as the greatest. Unlike Brady he didn't have to have the games given to him by rule changes and refereeing. I love Steve but definitely a step below Joe.

100% agree English. People should really do a little research before posting. The offensive players Montana had in 81 and 84 weren't that good at all compared to what some of the greatest quarterbacks had at their disposal. (Craig was great, also my favorite player of all time) Also, the skilled players were nothing in Montanas first 2 SBs, absolutely nothing compared to what Steve Young had for his whole career

Not True. The first superbowl, I agree. The 2nd in 84 had Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon, Wendell Tyler and Roger Craig which were better than anything Steve had until Waters came on board. Steve couldn't win anything with Dexter Carter or Kirby. Waters and Hearst were what made the team good enough to win. Once Owens became Owens, Steve had a better WR core, but up until that point... I'd say Montana had an equal or better core to throw to.

Not true at all! You're actually comparing Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark to Jerry Rice and all the other skilled players Steve Young had? Jerry Rice alone not even including Brent Jones and players like William Floyd we're better than whatever Montana had to deal with. Also, you can't really cherry pick this argument because we are talking about Super Bowl wins so you have to take the year the quarterback won. So like I said, Steve Young had way better weapons in 1994 than Montana had in 1981 or 1984. So it's very true

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Do you not understand my POST??

again, I posted WE (as in the 49ers) will not win a Super Bowl UNDER Shanny.. it means that Shanny won't win one here..

Reid - I didn't think Andy was going to win one in Philly (and he never did) even though I did think that he was going to be a better coach than Mike Holmgren..

Dungy - he did not win a Super Bowl until he was with Peyton Manning, no ?? While Tampa Bay won under another HC.

Cowher; Shula; Landry - I honestly doubt that our owner can wait 13+ years before Shanny wins one..

So you can honestly say you were out on Reid in Philly but knew he'd win it one day with another team. ok bro i believe you

Correct Dungy won when he got Peyton. Dont think Kyle can win one if he got a good QB?

with all HONESTY, I did not think Reid was going to win one in Philly... I also knew he was not going to be a 20 year HC w/the Eagles.

Kyle may win one, I just don't think here in SF...

Tell me, do you see him coaching this team if we decline badly the next 2 years?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy

of course, it's the 2nd place reward.

Originally posted by 9moon:
with all HONESTY, I did not think Reid was going to win one in Philly... I also knew he was not going to be a 20 year HC w/the Eagles.

Kyle may win one, I just don't think here in SF...

Tell me, do you see him coaching this team if we decline badly the next 2 years?

Why would we decline badly? Are you saying we decline badly bc of him or some other reason?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask bc i hate when teams move on from coaches every few years. I like what teams like the Steelers do, they get their HC and keep him for a long time. Some years they are going to be good and you hope they win it all and some years they have to go through a rebuilding phase. As long as the coach is willing to change with the times i think teams should keep their coaches for a long time, especially if they get to the playoffs consistently.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy

of course, it's the 2nd place reward.

Which first time "in the SB" coach is winning it next year ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy

of course, it's the 2nd place reward.

Which first time "in the SB" coach is winning it next year ?

it wont be Shanny, he already choked up that chance against KC..

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 9moon:
with all HONESTY, I did not think Reid was going to win one in Philly... I also knew he was not going to be a 20 year HC w/the Eagles.

Kyle may win one, I just don't think here in SF...

Tell me, do you see him coaching this team if we decline badly the next 2 years?

Why would we decline badly? Are you saying we decline badly bc of him or some other reason?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask bc i hate when teams move on from coaches every few years. I like what teams like the Steelers do, they get their HC and keep him for a long time. Some years they are going to be good and you hope they win it all and some years they have to go through a rebuilding phase. As long as the coach is willing to change with the times i think teams should keep their coaches for a long time, especially if they get to the playoffs consistently.

there's the word " IF " on my qustion... IF we decline badly, you think he wont get the same axed that Reid got ?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 9moon:
with all HONESTY, I did not think Reid was going to win one in Philly... I also knew he was not going to be a 20 year HC w/the Eagles.

Kyle may win one, I just don't think here in SF...

Tell me, do you see him coaching this team if we decline badly the next 2 years?

Why would we decline badly? Are you saying we decline badly bc of him or some other reason?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask bc i hate when teams move on from coaches every few years. I like what teams like the Steelers do, they get their HC and keep him for a long time. Some years they are going to be good and you hope they win it all and some years they have to go through a rebuilding phase. As long as the coach is willing to change with the times i think teams should keep their coaches for a long time, especially if they get to the playoffs consistently.

there's the word " IF " on my qustion... IF we decline badly, you think he wont get the same axed that Reid got ?

IF things go south like that it is why you follow @JedYork twitter.. where the news breaks first

Your'e REALLY asking about the better QB between Joe and Steve??? I can tell you didn't watch much of Montana. This guy had a QB gene in his body. From Notre Dame to the Niners, Joe Montana would take the team on his shoulders and pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Not only that, injury (to a degree), nor abstract body situation (body temperature drop in Cotton Bowl) could stop this dude. And, the thing that is most mesmerizing is the ass-kickings that Joe took in games where he came from behind and won that a lot of current day QB's (and past) would have folded and taken their footballs home

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy

of course, it's the 2nd place reward.

Which first time "in the SB" coach is winning it next year ?

it wont be Shanny, he already choked up that chance against KC..

That wasn't the question. Which HC is winning it ?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
waiting on someone to do a none of the above it was Jeff Garcia style post

I'll never forget the poor guy getting booed on the Jumbotron at HP pavilion at a sharks game and then him getting a dui that night

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 9moon:
with all HONESTY, I did not think Reid was going to win one in Philly... I also knew he was not going to be a 20 year HC w/the Eagles.

Kyle may win one, I just don't think here in SF...

Tell me, do you see him coaching this team if we decline badly the next 2 years?

Why would we decline badly? Are you saying we decline badly bc of him or some other reason?

I'm probably the wrong person to ask bc i hate when teams move on from coaches every few years. I like what teams like the Steelers do, they get their HC and keep him for a long time. Some years they are going to be good and you hope they win it all and some years they have to go through a rebuilding phase. As long as the coach is willing to change with the times i think teams should keep their coaches for a long time, especially if they get to the playoffs consistently.

Im with you. Barring total incompetence, I wish teams were more patient. Too many people think success is this linear progression when in reality its volatile. There are ups and downs, but over time, you work to trend up. Only the Tomsula like coaches should be one and done. But if there are sparks, development of players, the team isn't hasn't tuned out the coach, stick with them- ESPECIALLY if there is no franchise QB in the building. Four years is fair outside of the few exceptions.

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Your'e REALLY asking about the better QB between Joe and Steve??? I can tell you didn't watch much of Montana. This guy had a QB gene in his body. From Notre Dame to the Niners, Joe Montana would take the team on his shoulders and pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Not only that, injury (to a degree), nor abstract body situation (body temperature drop in Cotton Bowl) could stop this dude. And, the thing that is most mesmerizing is the ass-kickings that Joe took in games where he came from behind and won that a lot of current day QB's (and past) would have folded and taken their footballs home

I love that you brought up the Cotton Bowl. I wasn't born when it happened but I learned of it when they did the Sports Century episode of Joe Montana back in 2000. This kind of stuff can't be matched and it goes beyond simply winning a human game. Its the damn definition of to beat me, you have to kill me and I think its pretty interesting that in three of Joe's playoff losses, he didn't finish the game, whether by injury or being pulled (denied the opportunity of a comeback).

Originally posted by NinerTy:
Your'e REALLY asking about the better QB between Joe and Steve??? I can tell you didn't watch much of Montana. This guy had a QB gene in his body. From Notre Dame to the Niners, Joe Montana would take the team on his shoulders and pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Not only that, injury (to a degree), nor abstract body situation (body temperature drop in Cotton Bowl) could stop this dude. And, the thing that is most mesmerizing is the ass-kickings that Joe took in games where he came from behind and won that a lot of current day QB's (and past) would have folded and taken their footballs home

NOT even sure why FANS would argue about who's better between the two.. the only point that should be considered is the fact that as great as Steve was, the guy was NEVER considered to be the BEST during his prime time.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
MORE power to you if you can remember all the teams that took the 2nd place trophies.

More valuable then the Paul Bunyan Axe trophy

of course, it's the 2nd place reward.

Which first time "in the SB" coach is winning it next year ?

it wont be Shanny, he already choked up that chance against KC..

That wasn't the question. Which HC is winning it ?

no FIRST TIMER HC next will win it.. but I do believe that Miami will win it all IF they land Aaron to be their QB. .. and sad to say, it may just be against our 49ers .