49ers sign DT Javon Hargrave

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

We do have money, but cutting a large contracted DT for little savings just to offer another large contract for a top DT doesn't seem like something we'll do.

Plus we need to think about Greenlaw, Hufanga, Banks, Brendel, Ward etc and who replaces them or how much it will cost to re-sign them. That money will go quick so yeah I don't see us having a lot to splash around.

I think it's more likely we'll go a mid range DT in FA if we go that direction or take 2 on the Buckner/Kinlaw 1st round swap out - and yes, that makes me nervous.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Should have kept Buckner. Big time mistake.

FACTS

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

Gotta go BPA and not draft for position. That's how we ended up with Kinlaw. Might have to draft for need on day 2 and 3

This is what concerns me. Going for a second take of the Buckner/Kinlaw situation.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

We do have money, but cutting a large contracted DT for little savings just to offer another large contract for a top DT doesn't seem like something we'll do.

Plus we need to think about Greenlaw, Hufanga, Banks, Brendel, Ward etc and who replaces them or how much it will cost to re-sign them. That money will go quick so yeah I don't see us having a lot to splash around.

I think it's more likely we'll go a mid range DT in FA if we go that direction or take 2 on the Buckner/Kinlaw 1st round swap out - and yes, that makes me nervous.

only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes Hargrave is an example of how the 49ers dont maximise the potential of their players.

We should have got a big body next to him and let him so his thing which is to get after the quarterback, instead we tried to change him into a run stuffer.

And now he is gone.

Hargrave will go somewhere else on less money and get 12 sacks next year.

That is his specialty.

His cap number balloons to a massive level the year after so it's better to cut now. Collins is a cheaper version of Hargrave. His age is a problem and we are trying to put together the next strong core group. Just doesn't fit the plans.

This signals an obvious move to add serious beef in the middle in the draft this year.

If he were used appropriately and we had the right personnel (a legit run defender next to him), we could get more of the guy we saw in Philly. We use him inappropriately, then release him to save peanuts which will allow us to sign a Kevin Givens or Ray Ray McCloud level player. Just bad in every way imaginable. I'd rather us have Hargrave. We'd have a real rotation of guys to rotate at DT (Collins, Hargrave, Elliott), then throw in some beef with Anderson and hopefully another massive DT.

Only way I can get with this is if they so something just as bold- like moving up for Mason Graham and killing two birds with one stone. It's pretty clear that by not keeping Hargrave, they want a 3 down guy that can do both. And even then, they'd still need to add another run stuffer on day 3 as a draft pick and another as an UDFA.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

💯% agree. Fix the oline get our running game back keep our defense rested of the field…but try to bring Huf back. We haven't even seen the best of him.

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

💯% agree. Fix the oline get our running game back keep our defense rested of the field…but try to bring Huf back. We haven't even seen the best of him.

Agree with both of you. Get Greenlaw back. Also, I'd be upset to watch Huf go tear it up somewhere else for the next 5+ years. Not sure if Brown is a viable replacement. Mustapha looks legit. Both are on rookie contracts. We can afford Huf IMO. Plus he's only turning 25 next month.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Should have kept Buckner. Big time mistake.

FACTS

FACTS x 2.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Should have kept Buckner. Big time mistake.

FACTS

Give it up already bros

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

We do have money, but cutting a large contracted DT for little savings just to offer another large contract for a top DT doesn't seem like something we'll do.

Plus we need to think about Greenlaw, Hufanga, Banks, Brendel, Ward etc and who replaces them or how much it will cost to re-sign them. That money will go quick so yeah I don't see us having a lot to splash around.

I think it's more likely we'll go a mid range DT in FA if we go that direction or take 2 on the Buckner/Kinlaw 1st round swap out - and yes, that makes me nervous.

only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

Never said it looked bad, just said that we probably don't have the luxury of cutting one high priced DT then running out to sign another one in FA.

I'm very optimistic about next season. Been saying for awhile that Greenlaw is a must re-sign, Huf an "if we can afford it" signing, and we need an upgrade at C which is a tough ask in the draft.

The rest aren't must keeps but we still have to replace them with someone.

Each year we generally make one splash signing in the Shanalynch era, I don't see that being DT which is why I see an increased chance of us going DT in the first round.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

This is where we need AB1 to help us understand what we do have to spend. I think we can get some help in the trenches both sides in FA depending on what we have to spend.

Team will have somewhere in the $50M range once they tender all of their ERFAs, Mason, re-sign Robinson to a 1yr $1.1M non GTD deal, plus account for Brock & Burford's base salaries escalating, it does depend on what the 2025 cap comes in at, some say as high as $280M, some say as low as $270M, so we'll see, also for Hargrave, his 2025 & 2026 base salaries become fully GTD on the 2nd day of the new league year, so March 13th at 4pm EST/1pm PST it becomes GTD, so they will post June 1 him, possible they re-sign him if no one signs him, and/or once he's fully healthy.

Originally posted by JMC52:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Should have kept Buckner. Big time mistake.

FACTS

Give it up already bros

Buckner would be getting pushed around just as easily, he never had the size you wanted at DT, I love Buckner as much as much as everyone on here does, but at the time they couldn't afford both Buck & Kittle & Armstead, it came down to Buckner or Armstead, Kittle & J.Ward, just the truth, and again as I said he got pushed around easily as a 49er, even in the games I watched him as a Colt, he got pushed around, he missed some games due to injuries too if I'm right. and he hasn't been his 2018 self when he had 12 sacks for us, missed 5 games this year, https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2971282/deforest-buckner, hasn't really lived up to that deal IMO, his stats, if we want to go by that, don't look amazing or great.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

We do have money, but cutting a large contracted DT for little savings just to offer another large contract for a top DT doesn't seem like something we'll do.

Plus we need to think about Greenlaw, Hufanga, Banks, Brendel, Ward etc and who replaces them or how much it will cost to re-sign them. That money will go quick so yeah I don't see us having a lot to splash around.

I think it's more likely we'll go a mid range DT in FA if we go that direction or take 2 on the Buckner/Kinlaw 1st round swap out - and yes, that makes me nervous.

only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

Never said it looked bad, just said that we probably don't have the luxury of cutting one high priced DT then running out to sign another one in FA.

I'm very optimistic about next season. Been saying for awhile that Greenlaw is a must re-sign, Huf an "if we can afford it" signing, and we need an upgrade at C which is a tough ask in the draft.

The rest aren't must keeps but we still have to replace them with someone.

Each year we generally make one splash signing in the Shanalynch era, I don't see that being DT which is why I see an increased chance of us going DT in the first round.

History shows we use FA for Center

FA also has some good safeties. OL Replacements we have Bart and Hennesy and Heck for depth. We can also add better OL through Draft/FA

We have the cap to make several splash signings, but if we want to stay competitive for years to come, we can't splurge.

Honestly we don't need to splurge to have a great upcoming 2025. Maybe move up a couple spots in the first for or stay and move up in the 2nd. and add good depth in FA.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
We don't have the money to splash in FA so by cutting him it makes the DT at #11 feel a lot more likely.

who says we don't have money?

We do have money, but cutting a large contracted DT for little savings just to offer another large contract for a top DT doesn't seem like something we'll do.

Plus we need to think about Greenlaw, Hufanga, Banks, Brendel, Ward etc and who replaces them or how much it will cost to re-sign them. That money will go quick so yeah I don't see us having a lot to splash around.

I think it's more likely we'll go a mid range DT in FA if we go that direction or take 2 on the Buckner/Kinlaw 1st round swap out - and yes, that makes me nervous.

only Dre is the must sign of your list. I would like to keep Huf. But Banks, Bren and ward are gone

it's not bad as it looks

Never said it looked bad, just said that we probably don't have the luxury of cutting one high priced DT then running out to sign another one in FA.

I'm very optimistic about next season. Been saying for awhile that Greenlaw is a must re-sign, Huf an "if we can afford it" signing, and we need an upgrade at C which is a tough ask in the draft.

The rest aren't must keeps but we still have to replace them with someone.

Each year we generally make one splash signing in the Shanalynch era, I don't see that being DT which is why I see an increased chance of us going DT in the first round.

History shows we use FA for Center

FA also has some good safeties. OL Replacements we have Bart and Hennesy and Heck for depth. We can also add better OL through Draft/FA

We have the cap to make several splash signings, but if we want to stay competitive for years to come, we can't splurge.

Honestly we don't need to splurge to have a great upcoming 2025. Maybe move up a couple spots in the first for or stay and move up in the 2nd. and add good depth in FA.

C in FA has always been my thought process with an RT (and LT of the future) at #11 if the draft falls our way and we don't have to reach. I still have Kinlaw PTSD though so I'll be fearing the worst until FA/Draft proves me otherwise.

This regime doesn't really go all in as far as the cap goes and sacrificing the future. I expect one splash signing like always, just not sure where that's going to be (although I hope C). Safety is the one spot we always seem to add a bargain vet, and I wouldn't mind us finding a vet upgrade to fill in for 1-2 at LG as well. Outside of that I expect draft to be the priority for filling holes (maybe a vet CB for the nickel slot with Lenoir/Green as next years starters).

Hindsight is 20/20...but yeah, we were never able to replace him. 2nd biggest mistake by Lynch and gang since they came on board.