DE Clelin Ferrell

He was great in college, but did his performance have more to do with playing on a stacked roster full of NFL talent?

hope he balls out, we shall see

Ferrell did a good job of winning his match ups in college with advanced hands, size and strength. He was really strong, long and could win in multiple ways with his hands at that level. I remember being impressed while watching his tape by the wide array of moves that he had in his arsenal as well as his ability to win all 3 ways(outside, inside and power). Unfortunately, he's not a good athlete. The dude is stiff, can't bend and isn't twitchy.

I think he came into the NFL at his ceiling already. It's hard to translate the ability from college to the NFL when there's not much room for growth. He relied a lot on generating a get off with anticipation and jumping snaps. He's a segmented mover that struggled to marry his feet and hands. There's no juice off the ball to threaten the the top the arc or to close distance.

That said, Kocurek is going to get the most out of him, and maybe being in a scheme where he's focused on firing off the ball and attacking will help unlock some of his ability.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Ferrell did a good job of winning his match ups in college with advanced hands, size and strength. He was really strong, long and could win in multiple ways with his hands at that level. I remember being impressed while watching his tape by the wide array of moves that he had in his arsenal as well as his ability to win all 3 ways(outside, inside and power). Unfortunately, he's not a good athlete. The dude is stiff, can't bend and isn't twitchy.

I think he came into the NFL at his ceiling already. It's hard to translate the ability from college to the NFL when there's not much room for growth. He relied a lot on generating a get off with anticipation and jumping snaps. He's a segmented mover that struggled to marry his feet and hands. There's no juice off the ball to threaten the the top the arc or to close distance.

That said, Kocurek is going to get the most out of him, and maybe being in a scheme where he's focused on firing off the ball and attacking will help unlock some of his ability.

100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Just set the edge and be good against the run on base downs. Anything else it a total bonus.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Just set the edge and be good against the run on base downs. Anything else it a total bonus.

Yup

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

I watched both Ferrer and Arden Key's college games. I'd say Ferrer was a better player all around wise. If Arden Key had a career breakout when he was with us, I'd say we might get more from Ferrer. We don't know for sure, but with a much better surrounding, we'll see.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

I watched both Ferrer and Arden Key's college games. I'd say Ferrer was a better player all around wise. If Arden Key had a career breakout when he was with us, I'd say we might get more from Ferrer. We don't know for sure, but with a much better surrounding, we'll see.

Thing is, Key's production was primarily inside.

I don't know what Ferrell will do with us, but I was more excited about Hyder coming back.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

I watched both Ferrer and Arden Key's college games. I'd say Ferrer was a better player all around wise. If Arden Key had a career breakout when he was with us, I'd say we might get more from Ferrer. We don't know for sure, but with a much better surrounding, we'll see.

Even if Ferrer.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

I watched both Ferrer and Arden Key's college games. I'd say Ferrer was a better player all around wise. If Arden Key had a career breakout when he was with us, I'd say we might get more from Ferrer. We don't know for sure, but with a much better surrounding, we'll see.

Even if Ferrer.

Ferrer fought for five feverish Filipinos for funky flicks.

Here's Ferrell's breakdown of his incentives, https://49erscap.com/index.php/2023/05/31/breaking-down-clelin-ferrells-incentives/

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

While everything you said was true, the difference for me is that almost all of the players we have signed/targeted have had a unique skill set that Coach K brought out perfectly. While at the same time he limited the exposure of their weaknesses by putting them in positions to succeed. That's what a good coach does.

Key and Ford had elite bending ability, Ekubam and Willis had speed to power, and Omenihu had incredible length.

IMO there's nothing Ferrell does that's great, he's very average or below average at nearly everything. So... I just don't see a lot of opportunity for improvement and we've seen some of these "master of none" type players struggle in this system, a la Soloman Thomas or Kentavius Street,

I will say that the last time Ferrell had a great season was on the Clemson defense where he benefited from the play around him. Maybe he's just one of those guys that plays up or down with the performance of his teammates.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. But IMO we need to look at FA because we are thin at DE behind Bosa.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

While everything you said was true, the difference for me is that almost all of the players we have signed/targeted have had a unique skill set that Coach K brought out perfectly. While at the same time he limited the exposure of their weaknesses by putting them in positions to succeed. That's what a good coach does.

Key and Ford had elite bending ability, Ekubam and Willis had speed to power, and Omenihu had incredible length.

IMO there's nothing Ferrell does that's great, he's very average or below average at nearly everything. So... I just don't see a lot of opportunity for improvement and we've seen some of these "master of none" type players struggle in this system, a la Soloman Thomas or Kentavius Street,

I will say that the last time Ferrell had a great season was on the Clemson defense where he benefited from the play around him. Maybe he's just one of those guys that plays up or down with the performance of his teammates.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. But IMO we need to look at FA because we are thin at DE behind Bosa.

I would take it with these teammates

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
100% agree. I'm not optimistic about Ferrell at all. In fact, I think he was the worst move of the offseason. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but my friend who's a Raiders fan say the only thing Clelin does well is stop the run at 5tech… that's it.

I would much rather have any of our previous DE's. If we keep Ferrell and he's struggling but lose Waege or another young player to another team I'm going to be .

Nobody was especially keen on our various previous signings at this position either. But with great coaching and pro bowl talent all around, things seem to have a habit of working out.

While everything you said was true, the difference for me is that almost all of the players we have signed/targeted have had a unique skill set that Coach K brought out perfectly. While at the same time he limited the exposure of their weaknesses by putting them in positions to succeed. That's what a good coach does.

Key and Ford had elite bending ability, Ekubam and Willis had speed to power, and Omenihu had incredible length.

IMO there's nothing Ferrell does that's great, he's very average or below average at nearly everything. So... I just don't see a lot of opportunity for improvement and we've seen some of these "master of none" type players struggle in this system, a la Soloman Thomas or Kentavius Street,

I will say that the last time Ferrell had a great season was on the Clemson defense where he benefited from the play around him. Maybe he's just one of those guys that plays up or down with the performance of his teammates.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. But IMO we need to look at FA because we are thin at DE behind Bosa.

I would take it with these teammates

IF he stays healthy here, he's going to be the best FA pick up in the entire league.. not much will be expected off him especially by the opposing teams and that's when he'll make some noise.. Drake is going to improve and Bosa will be Bosa.. I can imagine our own version of SPEED 4 where every DE is on the line trying to rush the QB.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Ferrell did a good job of winning his match ups in college with advanced hands, size and strength. He was really strong, long and could win in multiple ways with his hands at that level. I remember being impressed while watching his tape by the wide array of moves that he had in his arsenal as well as his ability to win all 3 ways(outside, inside and power). Unfortunately, he's not a good athlete. The dude is stiff, can't bend and isn't twitchy.

I think he came into the NFL at his ceiling already. It's hard to translate the ability from college to the NFL when there's not much room for growth. He relied a lot on generating a get off with anticipation and jumping snaps. He's a segmented mover that struggled to marry his feet and hands. There's no juice off the ball to threaten the the top the arc or to close distance.

That said, Kocurek is going to get the most out of him, and maybe being in a scheme where he's focused on firing off the ball and attacking will help unlock some of his ability.

I think his ceiling is an elite run defender that can get some clean up sacks on an elite pass rushing line. If Ferrell wants to have a long career, he needs to stay on teams with top tier D lines.