Ji'Ayir "Tig" Brown-S-Penn State, 3rd round 2023 Draft

Brown and Hufanga will lead all safety tandems in INT's next season.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
In his highlight video. there is a play against michigan at the Goal line...he pushes through 2 blockers and stuff the running back for a 2 yard loss. Dude, he's a baller. I really think we got the best safety in the draft. I know he isn't the fastest, but watching him the way he attacks, his angles, he is just a very efficeient player and a ball hawk. Heck yes!!!!

I'm glad the team has somewhat changed the way it views safety prospects. The last safety they drafted on day 2 was Tarvarious Moore who they fell in love with because he ran a 4.3. After seeing Huf excel by being instinctual, despite being a middling athlete, it appears the team is placing more emphasis on football IQ rather than athletic traits.

I think the Salah/Carroll changes in the DLine to the Kocureck DLine was a game changer (3-4 under to the wide 9). I think Wilks has an opportunity to change the coverage philosophy on the back end of that Wide 9 with the zone blitz he likes to run. Coach Wilks is getting the players he needs to power his version of the Zone blitz. Maybe his defense needs a new name - Wide 9 Zone blitz - or something like that.

Don't want to get too deep into this, in this thread, but 'creeper' blitzes could be spreading and making its way around the league, and if Wilks adopts zone blitzes as a primary way to bring pressure, then 'creeper' blitzes (four man rush that looks like it's a blitz because a player not on the DL joins the rush) would be a natural compliment to zone blitzes. This speaks more to the Dee Winters pick.

Yeah, the Dee Winters pick definitely is a hybrid player. Too small to be a true Linebacker, too big to be a Real safety. I can see John Lynch come down from the GM booth to teach Dee Winters to do the "creeper" stuff.

He fits the mold of Greenlaw, granted roughly 5 pounds lighter and maybe a half inch shorter but also runs a sub 4.5 where Greenlaw ran a 4.7. Both are basically 5'11, throw in some smoothies with his meals and he break 230 while running in the 4.5's.

This league is all about covering space and Winters fits the bill. Peters knows his late round LBs.

I like the Comp. Greenlaw is so close to being an all pro right now.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Brown and Hufanga will lead all safety tandems in INT's next season.

Gipson injured?

Good video on Tig Brown.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
In his highlight video. there is a play against michigan at the Goal line...he pushes through 2 blockers and stuff the running back for a 2 yard loss. Dude, he's a baller. I really think we got the best safety in the draft. I know he isn't the fastest, but watching him the way he attacks, his angles, he is just a very efficeient player and a ball hawk. Heck yes!!!!

I'm glad the team has somewhat changed the way it views safety prospects. The last safety they drafted on day 2 was Tarvarious Moore who they fell in love with because he ran a 4.3. After seeing Huf excel by being instinctual, despite being a middling athlete, it appears the team is placing more emphasis on football IQ rather than athletic traits.

I think the Salah/Carroll changes in the DLine to the Kocureck DLine was a game changer (3-4 under to the wide 9). I think Wilks has an opportunity to change the coverage philosophy on the back end of that Wide 9 with the zone blitz he likes to run. Coach Wilks is getting the players he needs to power his version of the Zone blitz. Maybe his defense needs a new name - Wide 9 Zone blitz - or something like that.

Don't want to get too deep into this, in this thread, but 'creeper' blitzes could be spreading and making its way around the league, and if Wilks adopts zone blitzes as a primary way to bring pressure, then 'creeper' blitzes (four man rush that looks like it's a blitz because a player not on the DL joins the rush) would be a natural compliment to zone blitzes. This speaks more to the Dee Winters pick.

Yeah, the Dee Winters pick definitely is a hybrid player. Too small to be a true Linebacker, too big to be a Real safety. I can see John Lynch come down from the GM booth to teach Dee Winters to do the "creeper" stuff.

He fits the mold of Greenlaw, granted roughly 5 pounds lighter and maybe a half inch shorter but also runs a sub 4.5 where Greenlaw ran a 4.7. Both are basically 5'11, throw in some smoothies with his meals and he break 230 while running in the 4.5's.

This league is all about covering space and Winters fits the bill. Peters knows his late round LBs.

I like the Comp. Greenlaw is so close to being an all pro right now.

Creeper Blitzes. Sounds like a B grade horror flick.

Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

That video a few posts up shows a few things, so that helps calm my nerves a smidge. The one thing Brown seemed good at was playing on the LOS. Sideline pursuit angles were a major concern for me and his propensity to get caught flat-footed in coverage was the other.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

What's terrible about him?? Why not post cut ups of that??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

What's terrible about him?? Why not post cut ups of that??

Good idea, will do. Here you go:


0:27 bites on the play action, man quickly gets behind him
1:30 terrible tackling angle
1:40 HORRIFIC angle playing the ball
2:00 bites and lets his man get behind him AGAIN
2:25 burned AGAIN
2:53 another bad wide angle allows the receiver to the 1st down marker
3:00 gets absolutely embarrassed, stiff-armed into the turf which leads to the runner scoring a TD
3:13 has NO CLUE where the ball is and runs the opposite direction of the play
3:50 missed tackle

I don't know how anyone can watch that and tell me he looked good there.

Also, even looking at his highlights. How many of his interceptions were actually good individual plays and not hideous passes/decisions or balls that dropped right in his lap?

I counted only 1. The rest you could hear the commentators in disbelief about how easily interceptable the passes were lol.



Not trying to bash the guy personally, just expressing my concern and explaining what I see to justify my apprehension. I think these are fair arguments based on the evidence at hand. Now, I don't think he's all bad. One positive is his strength playing on the LOS. I think ultimately I'm just seeing more of a 5th-6th round guy here. He needs to fix his consistency on angles, greatly improve his discipline, and stop missing so many tackles when he has guys in his grasp. In the NFL, guys are much stronger and he's going to have to step up.

With a DB specialist DC like Wilks, hopefully he can rid Brown of all the flaws I saw and make him a star. While I don't think he deserved to go this high based on his body of work, I'm rooting for him to totally change my mind.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also, even looking at his highlights. How many of his interceptions were actually good individual plays and not hideous passes/decisions or balls that dropped right in his lap?

I counted only 1. The rest you could hear the commentators in disbelief about how easily interceptable the passes were lol.



Not trying to bash the guy personally, just expressing my concern and explaining what I see to justify my apprehension. I think these are fair arguments based on the evidence at hand. Now, I don't think he's all bad. One positive is his strength playing on the LOS. I think ultimately I'm just seeing more of a 5th-6th round guy here. He needs to fix his consistency on angles, greatly improve his discipline, and stop missing so many tackles when he has guys in his grasp. In the NFL, guys are much stronger and he's going to have to step up.

With a DB specialist DC like Wilks, hopefully he can rid Brown of all the flaws I saw and make him a star. While I don't think he deserved to go this high based on his body of work, I'm rooting for him to totally change my mind.

IMO he's a guy they hope can contribute a bit this year, but learn and be ready next year.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Also, even looking at his highlights. How many of his interceptions were actually good individual plays and not hideous passes/decisions or balls that dropped right in his lap?

I counted only 1. The rest you could hear the commentators in disbelief about how easily interceptable the passes were lol.



Not trying to bash the guy personally, just expressing my concern and explaining what I see to justify my apprehension. I think these are fair arguments based on the evidence at hand. Now, I don't think he's all bad. One positive is his strength playing on the LOS. I think ultimately I'm just seeing more of a 5th-6th round guy here. He needs to fix his consistency on angles, greatly improve his discipline, and stop missing so many tackles when he has guys in his grasp. In the NFL, guys are much stronger and he's going to have to step up.

With a DB specialist DC like Wilks, hopefully he can rid Brown of all the flaws I saw and make him a star. While I don't think he deserved to go this high based on his body of work, I'm rooting for him to totally change my mind.

hey just catching the ones thrown to you, i'll take it.. cough *Tartt* cough..
aside from film they met the guy on a visit and he wowed em, here is the quote from AFC scout "High-energy guy. Loves to make plays and loves ball. Great for the building." -- Area scout for AFC team

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

What's terrible about him?? Why not post cut ups of that??

Good idea, will do. Here you go:


0:27 bites on the play action, man quickly gets behind him
1:30 terrible tackling angle
1:40 HORRIFIC angle playing the ball
2:00 bites and lets his man get behind him AGAIN
2:25 burned AGAIN
2:53 another bad wide angle allows the receiver to the 1st down marker
3:00 gets absolutely embarrassed, stiff-armed into the turf which leads to the runner scoring a TD
3:13 has NO CLUE where the ball is and runs the opposite direction of the play
3:50 missed tackle

I don't know how anyone can watch that and tell me he looked good there.

Good gob he's Jimmie Ward 2.0

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

What's terrible about him?? Why not post cut ups of that??

Good idea, will do. Here you go:


0:27 bites on the play action, man quickly gets behind him
1:30 terrible tackling angle
1:40 HORRIFIC angle playing the ball
2:00 bites and lets his man get behind him AGAIN
2:25 burned AGAIN
2:53 another bad wide angle allows the receiver to the 1st down marker
3:00 gets absolutely embarrassed, stiff-armed into the turf which leads to the runner scoring a TD
3:13 has NO CLUE where the ball is and runs the opposite direction of the play
3:50 missed tackle

I don't know how anyone can watch that and tell me he looked good there.

First off we're here nitpicking a 3rd round pick like a 1st rounder. Second, most of what you have noted can be corrected with coaching. I mean mo player is gonna look like an All-Pro on every play either. If Tig Brown would've ran a 4.35 he would've been a late 1st to 2nd round pick I guarantee you that.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Can anyone find cut-ups of Ji'Ayir Brown actually looking good? I'm sorry but I've now gone through multiple games and I'm STILL trying to find a reason why he was considered worthy of a pick this high.

I'm losing my mind over here. I want to find anything to prove my instincts wrong, as everyone else including the talking heads are gushing about Brown, but my first impression watching before the draft was terrible, and as I've continued to dig, I've only found more visual evidence to reinforce that take.

What's terrible about him?? Why not post cut ups of that??

Good idea, will do. Here you go:


0:27 bites on the play action, man quickly gets behind him
1:30 terrible tackling angle
1:40 HORRIFIC angle playing the ball
2:00 bites and lets his man get behind him AGAIN
2:25 burned AGAIN
2:53 another bad wide angle allows the receiver to the 1st down marker
3:00 gets absolutely embarrassed, stiff-armed into the turf which leads to the runner scoring a TD
3:13 has NO CLUE where the ball is and runs the opposite direction of the play
3:50 missed tackle

I don't know how anyone can watch that and tell me he looked good there.

First off we're here nitpicking a 3rd round pick like a 1st rounder. Second, most of what you have noted can be corrected with coaching. I mean mo player is gonna look like an All-Pro on every play either. If Tig Brown would've ran a 4.35 he would've been a late 1st to 2nd round pick I guarantee you that.

I don't think this is nitpicking, I'm just analyzing like you requested. It's a comprehensive evaluation of his performance in that game on each of the plays he was involved in. 75% of the plays he was involved in were unfortunately easy to negatively mark. It would be different if maybe it was only a small handful, or even just half of the plays. I am taking into consideration that he is a lae 3rd rounder too. Maybe this was an anomaly game. His 2021 tape I threw out to give him the benefit of the doubt (it featured much of the same issues).

Where my line of thinking goes is, with that many coachable flaws, usually those guys don't go in the 3rd without having superior athletic traits. Brown didn't test super well, so based on the historical precedent, he did go earlier than I would've expected, based on what I witnessed.

He does fill a need, and if they felt these noticeable issues were not frequently present (which you'd see in a lower round or undrafted guys) then it would make sense. We obviously don't have as much to go off of as the staff would. I trust our FO, I'm just personally not seeing much to get excited about yet.

I think the evaluation is fair -- granted to the extent of the sample size I have. Hopefully, he plays way better here in the pre-season than he did in that cut-up.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Good idea, will do. Here you go:


0:27 bites on the play action, man quickly gets behind him
1:30 terrible tackling angle
1:40 HORRIFIC angle playing the ball
2:00 bites and lets his man get behind him AGAIN
2:25 burned AGAIN
2:53 another bad wide angle allows the receiver to the 1st down marker
3:00 gets absolutely embarrassed, stiff-armed into the turf which leads to the runner scoring a TD
3:13 has NO CLUE where the ball is and runs the opposite direction of the play
3:50 missed tackle

I don't know how anyone can watch that and tell me he looked good there.

I don't feel so good about this pick after watching those clips of him

Hopefully the coaches can work their magic and develop him Into a quality player.