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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Bold = Positive Reports (Leading)

Through 8/11/2023

QB2: Trey Lance vs. Sam Darnold (Starter & Depth)
RB2: Elijah Mitchell (Health) vs. Jordan Mason (Depth)
RB3/4: Jordan Mason vs. Tyrion Davis-Price vs. Khalan Laborn (Depth)
TE2: Brayden Willis vs. Cameron Latu (Depth)
TE3: Brayden Willis vs. Charlie Woerner vs. Ross Dwelley (Depth)
WR4-6: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Danny Gray vs. Ronnie Bell vs. Tay Martin
C2: Keith Ismael vs. Jon Feliciano vs. Ilm Manning (Depth)
IOL4: Jason Poe vs. Nick Zakelj vs. Joey Fisher (Depth & Roster)
RT2: Matt Pryor vs. Jaylon Moore vs. Leroy Watson (Depth)
3T2: Kevin Givens vs. Kalia Davis vs. Marlon Davidson (Depth & Roster)
2i2: Javon Kinlaw vs. T.Y. McGill (Depth & Roster)
ER2+: Clelin Ferrell vs. Taco Charlton vs. Austin Bryant vs. Robert Beal Jr. vs. Kerry Hyder vs. Spencer Waege (Depth & Roster)
SAM1: Marcelino McCrary-Ball vs. Dee Winters vs. Oren Burks (Starter)
LB 4: Oren Burks vs. Marcelino McCrary-Ball vs. Jalen Graham vs. Demitrius Flannigan-Fowles vs. Curtis Robinson vs. Kyahva Tezino (Depth & Roster)
OCB2: Darell Luter Jr. vs. Ambry Thomas vs. Samuel Womack III (Depth & Roster)
SCB2: Qwuantrezz Knight vs. D'Shawn Jamison (Depth & Roster)
FS1: Tashaun Gipson vs. Ji'Ayir Brown (Starter)
SS2: Tayler Hawkins vs. Miles Hartsfield vs. George Odum (Depth & Roster)
Returner: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Ronnie Bell vs. D'Shawn Jamison
PK: Zane Gonzalez vs. Jake Moody

Couple things I noticed last night, Ilm Manning played LT not IOL.

Jamison impressed me on returns, I have him on my 53, not sure how he did at CB, I was in and out with the game due to personal issues, nothing serious.

I think Bell is the KR/PR, with Jamison as backup, I was also impressed with Bell, and also Chris Conley, who I think would be the 6th WR if we keep 6.

Also the entire first team OL looked BAD, Trey got sacked, what 4 times? Not good, I hope it's not a permanent thing.

Also Dwelley looked good, I have him as my 4th TE, well #2 TE, but one of 4 TEs making it.

That's funny you mentioned that. I remember Foerster talking about Manning a while back. Now with all the extra bodies at C, I'm not too surprised to see him outside. Good detail.

Yeah, I like both kids so far! Conley could be a nice vet with McCloud out.

Yeah, it looked like lots of confusion out there and missed assignments which isn't good given how vanilla play calling usually is.

I keep trying to move on from Dwelley and Woerner but well...haha.

Agreed with everything you said NC, when it comes to Dwelley it's just that $700K fully GTD, while DFF has $750K GTD, I really hated these 2 re-signings, not the player(s), but the contracts, hate to eat cap room, or any GTD money, luckily we'd get it back in 2023 as Dwelley & DFF are NFL players, and would be on a 53 or PS at worse.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Bold = Positive Reports (Leading)

Through 8/11/2023

QB2: Trey Lance vs. Sam Darnold (Starter & Depth)
RB2: Elijah Mitchell (Health) vs. Jordan Mason (Depth)
RB3/4: Jordan Mason vs. Tyrion Davis-Price vs. Khalan Laborn (Depth)
TE2: Brayden Willis vs. Cameron Latu (Depth)
TE3: Brayden Willis vs. Charlie Woerner vs. Ross Dwelley (Depth)
WR4-6: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Danny Gray vs. Ronnie Bell vs. Tay Martin
C2: Keith Ismael vs. Jon Feliciano vs. Ilm Manning (Depth)
IOL4: Jason Poe vs. Nick Zakelj vs. Joey Fisher (Depth & Roster)
RT2: Matt Pryor vs. Jaylon Moore vs. Leroy Watson (Depth)
3T2: Kevin Givens vs. Kalia Davis vs. Marlon Davidson (Depth & Roster)
2i2: Javon Kinlaw vs. T.Y. McGill (Depth & Roster)
ER2+: Clelin Ferrell vs. Taco Charlton vs. Austin Bryant vs. Robert Beal Jr. vs. Kerry Hyder vs. Spencer Waege (Depth & Roster)
SAM1: Marcelino McCrary-Ball vs. Dee Winters vs. Oren Burks (Starter)
LB 4: Oren Burks vs. Marcelino McCrary-Ball vs. Jalen Graham vs. Demitrius Flannigan-Fowles vs. Curtis Robinson vs. Kyahva Tezino (Depth & Roster)
OCB2: Darell Luter Jr. vs. Ambry Thomas vs. Samuel Womack III (Depth & Roster)
SCB2: Qwuantrezz Knight vs. D'Shawn Jamison (Depth & Roster)
FS1: Tashaun Gipson vs. Ji'Ayir Brown (Starter)
SS2: Tayler Hawkins vs. Miles Hartsfield vs. George Odum (Depth & Roster)
Returner: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Ronnie Bell vs. D'Shawn Jamison
PK: Zane Gonzalez vs. Jake Moody

Couple things I noticed last night, Ilm Manning played LT not IOL.

Jamison impressed me on returns, I have him on my 53, not sure how he did at CB, I was in and out with the game due to personal issues, nothing serious.

I think Bell is the KR/PR, with Jamison as backup, I was also impressed with Bell, and also Chris Conley, who I think would be the 6th WR if we keep 6.

Also the entire first team OL looked BAD, Trey got sacked, what 4 times? Not good, I hope it's not a permanent thing.

Also Dwelley looked good, I have him as my 4th TE, well #2 TE, but one of 4 TEs making it.

That's funny you mentioned that. I remember Foerster talking about Manning a while back. Now with all the extra bodies at C, I'm not too surprised to see him outside. Good detail.

Yeah, I like both kids so far! Conley could be a nice vet with McCloud out.

Yeah, it looked like lots of confusion out there and missed assignments which isn't good given how vanilla play calling usually is.

I keep trying to move on from Dwelley and Woerner but well...haha.

Agreed with everything you said NC, when it comes to Dwelley it's just that $700K fully GTD, while DFF has $750K GTD, I really hated these 2 re-signings, not the player(s), but the contracts, hate to eat cap room, or any GTD money, luckily we'd get it back in 2023 as Dwelley & DFF are NFL players, and would be on a 53 or PS at worse.

I wasn't aware of those costs. That's unfortunate if they don't move on from both for that reason esp. at LB where there seems to be some legit talent developing there. Graham is even taking MIKE responsibilities already and Ball and Winters also look really solid at SAM. We know Burks can play well too if needed and is a ST stud. Hmmmm.

It feels like nobody has really poached our PS for a while (nothing significant)...even the veterans. I'm curious to see their plan and how they'll use the I.R. option.
Originally posted by NCommand:
I'll edit as we gain more information as we go but for now, this seems like the likely camp battles for starting positions, depth and/or making the 53-man roster:

Bold = Positive Reports (Leading)
Through 8/25/2023

QB2: Trey Lance vs. Sam Darnold (Starter & Depth)
RB2: Elijah Mitchell (Health) vs. Jordan Mason (Depth)
RB3/4: Jordan Mason vs. Tyrion Davis-Price (Depth)
TE2: Brayden Willis vs. Cameron Latu (Depth)
TE3: Brayden Willis vs. Charlie Woerner vs. Ross Dwelley (Depth)
WR4-6: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Danny Gray vs. Ronnie Bell vs. Chris Conley vs. Tay Martin
C2: Keith Ismael vs. Jon Feliciano (Depth)
IOL4: Jason Poe vs. Nick Zakelj vs. Joey Fisher (Depth & Roster)
RT2: Matt Pryor vs. Jaylon Moore vs. Leroy Watson vs. Ilm Manning (Depth)
3T2: Kevin Givens vs. Kalia Davis vs. Marlon Davidson (Depth & Roster)
2i2: Javon Kinlaw vs. T.Y. McGill (Depth & Roster)
ER2+: Clelin Ferrell vs. Austin Bryant vs. Robert Beal Jr. vs. Kerry Hyder vs. Spencer Waege (Depth & Roster)
SAM1/LB 4: Marcelino McCrary-Ball vs. Jalen Graham vs. Dee Winters vs. Oren Burks vs. Curtis Robinson vs. Kyahva Tezino (Starter, Depth & Roster)
OCB2: Ambry Thomas vs. Samuel Womack III vs. Darell Luter Jr. (Depth & Roster)
SCB2: Qwuantrezz Knight vs. D'Shawn Jamison (Depth & Roster)
FS1: Tashaun Gipson vs. Ji'Ayir Brown (Starter)
SS2: Tayler Hawkins vs. Miles Hartsfield vs. George Odum (Depth & Roster)
Returner: Ray-Ray McCloud vs. Ronnie Bell vs. D'Shawn Jamison
PK: Zane Gonzalez vs. Jake Moody

Final update.
I'm torn at what to do at WR

Locks:
Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
McCloud (may go to IR after the 53)
Bell
Fighting for 1 to 2 spots?
Gray
Conley
Snead
Martin
Winstead
Miller

Playing the practice squad game I think you can sneak Winstead and Martin on the PS without much worry. So they leave Gray, Conley, and Snead.

Has Gray done enough? His draft stock helps but this regime has showed it won't keep you around regardless of draft. Conley has looked good and Snead seems to always be making plays as well.
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Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm torn at what to do at WR

Locks:
Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
McCloud (may go to IR after the 53)
Bell
Fighting for 1 to 2 spots?
Gray
Conley
Snead
Martin
Winstead
Miller

Playing the practice squad game I think you can sneak Winstead and Martin on the PS without much worry. So they leave Gray, Conley, and Snead.

Has Gray done enough? His draft stock helps but this regime has showed it won't keep you around regardless of draft. Conley has looked good and Snead seems to always be making plays as well.

Miller you can send to the practice squad, I probably would. I was hoping Conley would make it but he's hurt and may wind up on IR.

Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
Gray
Bell
Snead
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm torn at what to do at WR

Locks:
Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
McCloud (may go to IR after the 53)
Bell
Fighting for 1 to 2 spots?
Gray
Conley
Snead
Martin
Winstead
Miller

Playing the practice squad game I think you can sneak Winstead and Martin on the PS without much worry. So they leave Gray, Conley, and Snead.

Has Gray done enough? His draft stock helps but this regime has showed it won't keep you around regardless of draft. Conley has looked good and Snead seems to always be making plays as well.

Miller you can send to the practice squad, I probably would. I was hoping Conley would make it but he's hurt and may wind up on IR.

Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
Gray
Bell
Snead

Gray should end up on I.R. as well with an A/C joint. Maybe Conley now too. And Ray-Ray for sure.
I didn't know Conley was hurt.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm torn at what to do at WR

Locks:
Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
McCloud (may go to IR after the 53)
Bell
Fighting for 1 to 2 spots?
Gray
Conley
Snead
Martin
Winstead
Miller

Playing the practice squad game I think you can sneak Winstead and Martin on the PS without much worry. So they leave Gray, Conley, and Snead.

Has Gray done enough? His draft stock helps but this regime has showed it won't keep you around regardless of draft. Conley has looked good and Snead seems to always be making plays as well.

Miller you can send to the practice squad, I probably would. I was hoping Conley would make it but he's hurt and may wind up on IR.

Deebo
Aiyuk
Jennings
Gray
Bell
Snead

Gray should end up on I.R. as well with an A/C joint. Maybe Conley now too. And Ray-Ray for sure.

Dammit I forgot he's injured too. Son of a b***h!!! Maybe check what's gonna be available on Tuesday??
Do they go three or four TEs? Either way, wondering if one of the rookies won't make it.
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