OTAs/Training Camp 2023

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Brace yourself for the "the picks don't matter anymore" responses

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

for a sec there, I thought you were arguing, with yourself

those usernames

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Any way you can copy and paste it in here? I don't have the athletic

I would DM it to you, but it's a s**t ton of stuff lol

Just tell me all the positives about Poe.

One of the few to look good vs Hargrave in 1 on 1s cuz of his low center of gravity but unlikely to make the squad since he's not as versatile yet.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

Right, I hope Trey succeeds, but the Bentley analogy doesn't work.

He has shown improvement and that is great! He still has some issues with the short passes, and I have to think that is fixable. But, it has been going on for a while now. I wonder if he is truncating his throwing motion, releasing at the wrong point causing the ball to sail high?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

for a sec there, I thought you were arguing, with yourself

those usernames

You beat me to it. I was like did he forget to log out and then log back into his other account? Lol

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

The analogy is flawed but it still checks out.

If anything because Bledsoe was a known product Brady's elevation made it that much more crazy and unusual at the time. Bledsoe was a team captain, led the team to the SB few years prior and just got a $100 million contract(only 2nd player in NFL at the time after Favre to do that). Belichick saw Brady work and felt he was the guy moving forward. The move obviously worked out well for them.

49ers invested a lot into Trey from the trade and selection(similar to Pats investing a lot of cap $ into Drew) he got injured and a late round pick comes in and looks great. Nobody says Bledsoe sucked so they went with Brady. It was Brady was too good to go back to Drew.

Of course the other difference was Drew was a known commodity so he was already at his ceiling. Trey is not. So because Trey is an unknown and Brock is still somewhat of an unknown both have to prove the move to stick with Brock as QB1 is the right one.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there

49ers QBs through 6 sessions below. Disclaimer: Purdy is the only QB working exclusively vs the first-team defense, which is obviously tougher:

Brock Purdy: 29-47 (62%), 3 TD, 2 INT
Trey Lance: 25-39 (64%), 1 TD
Sam Darnold: 25-40 (63%), 3 TD
Brandon Allen: 13-24 (54%), 2 TD

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 2, 2023

Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there

Trey Lance 9/13 69% 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD (potential sack) 0 int's - Running with the 1s in the two practices Brock Purdy rest.

In case anyone was wondering.

— CROCKPOT🤴🏾 (@Eric_Crocker) August 2, 2023

This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

for a sec there, I thought you were arguing, with yourself

those usernames

lol I was about to post the exact same thing.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there

49ers QBs through 6 sessions below. Disclaimer: Purdy is the only QB working exclusively vs the first-team defense, which is obviously tougher:

Brock Purdy: 29-47 (62%), 3 TD, 2 INT
Trey Lance: 25-39 (64%), 1 TD
Sam Darnold: 25-40 (63%), 3 TD
Brandon Allen: 13-24 (54%), 2 TD

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 2, 2023

Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there

Trey Lance 9/13 69% 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD (potential sack) 0 int's - Running with the 1s in the two practices Brock Purdy rest.

In case anyone was wondering.

— CROCKPOT🤴🏾 (@Eric_Crocker) August 2, 2023

This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

I don't think these stats tell the story on who is practicing better. I think both QBs have done good things. Both have had weird misses/missed opportunities. I'd have to know what Kyle is looking for on a specific play to know who is practicing better.

— CROCKPOT🤴🏾 (@Eric_Crocker) August 2, 2023

Yeah I saw that tweet after posting and it's perfect. Everyone getting hung up on the completion % when there is a lot more to it in camp that we don't see. The media doesn't see.

It's why I prefer the coverage of guys who know the game well(Crock being one of them) they're able to spot things which would sit more with the coaching staff than the actual completion %. Things like audibling at the line to a better play given the defense alignment. Adjusting protection. Drawing defenders offsides. Throwing the ball to the optimal spot based on the look. Going through the progressions and avoiding throwing into bad spots.

Obviously at the end of the day you have to complete the passes but I think for the most part if a QB shows he can do the little things right, the chances of completing passes and moving the chains increases. For instance if the QB identifies a blitz and adjust protection to get proper blocking on the play he can take the bigger play as designed vs missing the check and having to take a checkdown under pressure. I think we can all agree that if the protection holds up the odds of QBs completing passes goes up. When they're forced to throw off platform accuracy dips for everyone. Some clearly handle it better than others but if you get the protection stuff right, you're helping yourself and your team.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

I think the biggest hurdle to your analogy is reality.....

In reality.... we have no idea if an unproven player is a camry or a Bentley.....

What we do know, is that if we dont make it to work on time we might get fired.

If our boss finds out we have been trying to take that "Bentley" to work for the last 3 years and the darn thing just will not get out of first gear....and we left a perfectly functional car in the driveway...hell we might just get fired on principle.

When it is get to work or get fired, no one cares how much you paid for a Bentley if the darn thing can't shift gears, especially when the other car in your drive way was one of the fastest car on the street the last 8 times you drove it ( before its front right tire just snapped off at the tie-rod).....

Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there

49ers QBs through 6 sessions below. Disclaimer: Purdy is the only QB working exclusively vs the first-team defense, which is obviously tougher:

Brock Purdy: 29-47 (62%), 3 TD, 2 INT
Trey Lance: 25-39 (64%), 1 TD
Sam Darnold: 25-40 (63%), 3 TD
Brandon Allen: 13-24 (54%), 2 TD

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 2, 2023

Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there

Trey Lance 9/13 69% 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD (potential sack) 0 int's - Running with the 1s in the two practices Brock Purdy rest.

In case anyone was wondering.

— CROCKPOT🤴🏾 (@Eric_Crocker) August 2, 2023

This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Oh no he's adding additional context that purdy is only going up against the 1s lol

oh and btw your boy Crocker on his podcast with Brian peacock yesterday spent a whole segment as to why lance keeps missing on his short throws. The bias is subtle but see if you can spot it.

How is Kittle, CMC, Deebo, New right Tackle, IOL, all doing in this camp?

When is Luter going to start practicing?

How are the rookies doing?

Camp news has been horrible! (all eyes on the QB's)

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

This.

And they wouldn't be in danger simply for missing on a big trade and high draft pick… it would be because of the potential domino effect of that kind of miss. I think we saw the potential risk in that context begin to manifest at the beginning of last season. That's why it wasn't actually difficult to see this current situation with the QBs.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

If Brock didn't exist we'd all be talking about Nate Sudfeld as the next great 49er QB right now.