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Aug 2, 2023 at 5:53 PM
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
no TC today?

Nope
Aug 2, 2023 at 5:55 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:05 PM
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.
[ Edited by Bay2Bay9erAllday on Aug 2, 2023 at 6:06 PM ]
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:07 PM
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

I get what you're saying. Idk the answer but its something Kyle has to figure out. Historically, I've felt like he's given his QBs a long leash - I think ultimately it'll come down to how confident kyle is with Lance/Darnold playing at the time, that's why I say it's up to them and their performance in camp to shorten the leash on Purdy, but there are other aspects - making a QB change can end up being a disaster and it's not easy to go back and forth if the change doesn't work out, causes issues with the locker room (or can).

Winning is the most important thing, I just talk film or individual performance when someone comments on it. For example, the Texans game - I'm glad Lance got it together and improved as the game went on. He lead us to a win and continued our post season hopes. That's awesome, but If someone is going to tell me he had a great game, I'll debate that based on my thoughts.

i really liked jimmy because of how much we won and the little things he did that made the team better as a whole, especially his efficiency, third downs ability, accuracy etc. i know he had bad games but We won a lot of games and competed for chips - that's all you can ask for. I know he had limitations but it's hard to find a good qb. I want a HOF as bad as anyone, I bring it up on here often, but I still enjoy the win more. Whoever can help us win the best, im all for.
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:08 PM
  • thl408
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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.

Film review is what jonnydel does. Saying an incompletion was a bad pass or not is not film review.
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:12 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.

Film review is what jonnydel does. Saying an incompletion was a bad pass or not is not film review.

Well I also think posters try to place blame on one side or the other, when most of the time (not all), you can find fault on both.

I bring up the bears game with the TE throw in the beginning. Trey did overthrow it, but that was also a backup TE that didn't really make much of an effort. I guess you can blame the weather/field as well, but I don't look at that play as all on Lance. Both needed to do better, IMO. I think most plays are like that.

im probably guilty of criticizing Lance at times, without adding in the context of want others could of done better, I need to do better on that.
i feel like sometimes situations try to get painted as black and white, when it's rarely that way.
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:18 PM
  • thl408
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.

Film review is what jonnydel does. Saying an incompletion was a bad pass or not is not film review.

Well I also think posters try to place blame on one side or the other, when most of the time (not all), you can find fault on both.

I bring up the bears game with the TE throw in the beginning. Trey did overthrow it, but that was also a backup TE that didn't really make much of an effort. I guess you can blame the weather/field as well, but I don't look at that play as all on Lance. Both needed to do better, IMO. I think most plays are like that.

im probably guilty of criticizing Lance at times, without adding in the context of want others could of done better, I need to do better on that.
i feel like sometimes situations try to get painted as black and white, when it's rarely that way.

It's good to keep that open mind. There are plays where the QB and WR are off by a tad and only the people in the meeting room at 49ers HQ know. Was it an inaccurate throw? Did the WR break his route off at the wrong depth?
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:23 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.

Film review is what jonnydel does. Saying an incompletion was a bad pass or not is not film review.

Yeah, I guess posting gifs and stills of plays, such as the dropped Kittle pass, and discussing them are not film review. But I thought that was part of what Waterbear was referring to. Jonnydel does do actual review on YouTube which he shares on here. So there is a difference to your point.
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:29 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
You're damn right.

Like E-40 song lol


NOPE

1 Qtr vs one worst team in NFL
YUP

If Lance played like brock and accomplished what he did we'd just as happy.

But not them. It has to be MVP season and SB Win to get credit. Oh, and has to be done without Kittle, CMC, Deebo or Kyle, or else doesn't count. you see how ridiculous that sounds.

Seriously. Lol it's a joke. If Lance played like Purdy, I'd def want to see him start, but he didn't, he played so well that he tanked his value to the point of a mid round draft pick… showed so much potential that other teams are dying to have him… that the group who drafted him is making him compete for QB2.

trey looks much improved but all this projection on what he could do is just hope that's based on literally nothing. Not film, not practice.. nothing. Just that he's big and fast with a strong arm. I think he has talent but I just don't understand why someone wants him to play so bad over a guy who showed a lot… so they just make up all these scenarios of what he can and can't do, should have to do etc.

I just don't get it. I want Lance to succeed but there is no reason to try and force it to happen when you clearly have a better option at this time. There is nothing that shows he will Develop into a stud, no film at all. It's just hope and the fact he was drafted high - news flash, an overwhelming majority of players drafted high are busts.

This gets repeated quite often, but it simply doesn't represent the majority of posters on here, including myself.

If Brock is healthy, he should be the starter.

How long of a leash if he plays poorly is another conversation, but if he plays well, he should remain the starter.

I'm more of a "isolate QB play" vs "did the team win?" kind of fan. It's possible we could start the season 0-3 and I'm more excited about Purdy than ever, and its possible we could start 3-0 and I would consider putting in Lance. It all depends on context.

I want Lance to ball out in camp and make the leash short, it helps the team. The better Lance is, the better chance we have of winning a chip. Which should generate more competition with Purdy and make him better. Iron sharpens iron.

me personally, I'd give him more than 3 games. Sometimes it takes a little to gel and it might take Brock a few games to get comfortable with his repaired arm, unless he's just horrendous.

Lance would have to be playing very well in practice and camp though, because otherwise the question becomes "do I put Lance in and get average play or think Brock will get it together and play at a high level like he did". It's a tough situation, I just hope he plays really well from the start

I just used 3 games as an example. I wouldn't be ready to make a change that quickly either. My point still remains.

That was my issue with a lot of posters on here. In general I felt negative film review was frowned upon when we won, which I felt defeated the purpose of having this forum.

Winning is all that everyone wants, but the discussion of how we won is important back then and now with this group of QBs.

Film review is fine. But don't expect everyone to agree with what they are seeing. Case in point, the pages and pages dissecting the Kittle dropped pass in GB playoff game. Some posters believed it was good enough to be caught for a tuddy. Others thought it needed a half centimeter to be a good pass. Also, how many times did Jonnydel have to come on here and defend his film review because posters were calling him biased. He's pretty knowledgeable about his x' sand o's, yet got blasted often for discussing what he saw.

Film review is what jonnydel does. Saying an incompletion was a bad pass or not is not film review.

Well I also think posters try to place blame on one side or the other, when most of the time (not all), you can find fault on both.

I bring up the bears game with the TE throw in the beginning. Trey did overthrow it, but that was also a backup TE that didn't really make much of an effort. I guess you can blame the weather/field as well, but I don't look at that play as all on Lance. Both needed to do better, IMO. I think most plays are like that.

im probably guilty of criticizing Lance at times, without adding in the context of want others could of done better, I need to do better on that.
i feel like sometimes situations try to get painted as black and white, when it's rarely that way.

It's good to keep that open mind. There are plays where the QB and WR are off by a tad and only the people in the meeting room at 49ers HQ know. Was it an inaccurate throw? Did the WR break his route off at the wrong depth?

Right, that's why it's hard to say it was a bad throw/route because we don't know how the play was designed. Maybe another player ran the wrong route and it let the defense get set up how it wasn't supposed to etc.

we can only really judge what we can see but sometimes it's clearly a bad throw or read. Brock had a few where he threw it across the field into double coverage when he was scrambling - stuff like that is easy to point out "yeah, he shouldn't of done that." Hahah

but overall it's like poetry, takes 11 men in sync to make a play happen. If one doesn't do their job, it's bad news bears. There are other little things we can't usually see - like the qb was supposed to look someone off or something. It's just tough
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:01 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

You are getting fired up over assumed slights. You are assuming Lombardi hates Trey when he's literally got hundreds of videos that prove otherwise. Again, Twitter is a cesspool of low context clickbait. You should really get off that s**t before it rots your brain. The pro Trey Twitter crowd is psycho, they refuse to accept reality, and the echo chamber they have built up is so wierd and cringey that its scary. Anyone who dares to criticize him gets swarmed on by the horde. I am waiting for one of those creepy f**ks to pull a Tanya Harding on Brock just to get Trey in the starting job.

Bias doesn't have to imply hate. If you open your eyes you can easily see it. I'm not trashing Lombardi but he was a better reporter before this type of bias started seeping into his reports.

It's not hard to see. Trey practices poorly and Lombardi goes in heavy. He practices well and Lombardi reports it but accentuates the few misses and how important those are to Kyle's offense. Or mentions a "dropped INT" on a ball that is tipped and hits the DB at the knee level. Then only after being called on it does he start adding dropped INT stats for other QBs.

Feels the need to remind people on Trey's TD run that it could've been a sack in a live game but never brings up similar situations when Brock does well and ignores bad plays when a penalty is called as if somehow the play wasn't made poorly.

Why you don't see that is up to you but don't pretend other people seeing it are crazy.

I just want our local guys to be better. Leave their stupid bias at the door and just report what they see, provide context for all QBs and not just the ones they prefer to look better/worse.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:03 PM
What's the general consensus on the DBs?
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:10 PM
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.
Trey is Bentley because of what we spent on him.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:12 PM
Originally posted by Patton:
What's the general consensus on the DBs?

From what I've heard

Ward hasn't practiced much but otherwise all the starters look good (Lenoir, Oliver, Huf, Gipson).

Womack is standing out, Jamison undrafted rookie is flashing. Luter Jr is on PUP & Ambry Thomas is struggling. Q Knight & T Hawkins look improved in their second year. Sounds like Ji'Ayir Brown is going through a typical rookie adjustment period where it's information overload.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:14 PM
Originally posted by Patton:
What's the general consensus on the DBs?

I've heard they've looked awesome for the most part. Coach wilks has been super hands on with them. I expect them to be a real strength.

Oliver (new free agent signing from ATL, I think) has looked really good. Lenoir is playing well and looks to be starting opposite Ward. Ward has been out the last few practices, not sure if he's back, with a groin injury that isn't bad - just being safe. They called it "tightness".

Mcray-Ball (idk his whole name), Greenlaw, & Warner have had some awesome plays in coverage too. Not DBs but still coverage.

i havent heard anything concerning, just positive things.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:14 PM
Originally posted by KiwiM3:
Originally posted by Patton:
What's the general consensus on the DBs?

From what I've heard

Ward hasn't practiced much but otherwise all the starters look good (Lenoir, Oliver, Huf, Gipson).

Womack is standing out, Jamison undrafted rookie is flashing. Luter Jr is on PUP & Ambry Thomas is struggling. Q Knight & T Hawkins look improved in their second year. Sounds like Ji'Ayir Brown is going through a typical rookie adjustment period where it's information overload.

Hahaha better breakdown than mine. I couldn't remember everyone's name for some reason. Lmao
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