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Aug 2, 2023 at 7:17 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Hahaha better breakdown than mine. I couldn't remember everyone's name for some reason. Lmao

Haha I had to do some quick Googling
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:19 PM
Originally posted by KiwiM3:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Hahaha better breakdown than mine. I couldn't remember everyone's name for some reason. Lmao

Haha I had to do some quick Googling

But you are right, Womack has had some great reports. I'm very optimistic on him. Huff has been making some great plays. Gipson has had a couple picks (at least one).

i really think brown is going to have a great future, I can't wait for him to get up to speed.

i really like the future of our backend with Wilks at DC. It's about time we get a great DB coach in that role to tune those guys up. They've been clearly behind LB/DL, IMO.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:51 PM
I'm more excited about the defense this season than last hargrave is gonna make a huge difference, especially if Drake Jackson plays up to his potential.
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:51 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:58 PM
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
No way in hell we can move on. They spent 3 1st for Trey. We need to see what he's got. I'm not going to park a $250k Bentley that just came out of the shop in favor of a loaded Toyota Camry. Especially when I took out a home equity loan to buy the Bentley.
I need to take that Bentley on a 2,000 mile road trip to see if it's a lemon or I just had bad luck early on. That's where we are with Trey. We spent too much for him to stay parked on the bench. If this is another Brady/Bledsoe situation, Kyle and John better be damn sure that Brock is Brady.

Yes, that's the only excuse for letting Trey ride the pine: Brock has to be a Rolls Royce. But we better not be parking a Bentley for a Camry.

Difference is bledsoe was actually a pro bowl QB. Trey hasn't proven or done anything substantial. Calling him a Bentley is such an overstatement. Hes a project car that nobody new if it would ever run again. We just overpaid for him.

If Brock didn't exist we would be talking about firing shanahan and lynch right now. He literally saved their jobs. All trey has done is hammer nails into both their coffins.

Right, I hope Trey succeeds, but the Bentley analogy doesn't work.

He has shown improvement and that is great! He still has some issues with the short passes, and I have to think that is fixable. But, it has been going on for a while now. I wonder if he is truncating his throwing motion, releasing at the wrong point causing the ball to sail high?

I agree, a better anoligh is paying a premium for a vintage car you want to restore. If you can… $$$ but are you ready to put all your chips in when you're not sure the car is ready for the journey?? Remember you are taking your wife kids on this journey and you don't want to end up on the side of the road in the desert Highway.
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:06 PM
Originally posted by JTB1974:
CMC is who saved their season. Hell even Jimmy was looking like a different QB with CMC here. I just don't get how fans can watch Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, And then be satisfied with a limited QB. Don't you want more? Don't you want a QB that atleast has the potential to win an MVP in this league? It seems like fans are just satisfied with a QB that can range anywhere from 10 to 18 in the league.

Have we seen anything from in the NFL Trey that correlates him with those names? Or… is it just the words of college potential we are basing this off of?
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:12 PM
Originally posted by DRnSFw:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Last year when Trey had a bad day at camp not once was it mentioned he was going up against the #1 Defense.

I agree call if fair all the way thru. Lombardo getting so defensive about his biases just adds fuel to fans fire that see his tweets lol.

The ones giving him s**t don't know what the f**k they're talking about though. His videos are Trey positive by a large margin. But all they know is what the cesspool of Twitter where low information, high volume is the rule. All these knee jerk jackasses have to do is get out of that cluster f**k echo chamber of group think and go see what he thinks of Trey in his own words. But alas, they just want to rage against perceived slights that only exist in their own minds, fueled by insidious bias on their own behalf.
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:14 PM
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If Sudfeld would have came in when Jimmy G went down, you can rest assured our chances at winning anything significant would have been over. CMC or not.

Look at the NFC title game for a glimpse of what it could have looked like.

Well yeah that's because Sudfeld is horrible. I am just saying that all they needed was a decent QB and CMC being here would make him look great. But remember, Purdy is not always going to have these weapons. Especially when he finally gets paid. Right ow it's fine but a decision will have to be made in a couple of years.

Decent quarterback? You mean like the Panthers QB who is competing for the second spot against Trey or the one that took the BROWNS to the playoffs?
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:15 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The ones giving him s**t don't know what the f**k they're talking about though. His videos are Trey positive by a large margin. But all they know is what the cesspool of Twitter where low information, high volume is the rule. All these knee jerk jackasses have to do is get out of that cluster f**k echo chamber of group think and go see what he thinks of Trey in his own words. But alas, they just want to rage against perceived slights that only exist in their own minds, fueled by insidious bias on their own behalf.

Everyone that thinks Lombardi is biased probably works at McDonald's.
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:16 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The ones giving him s**t don't know what the f**k they're talking about though. His videos are Trey positive by a large margin. But all they know is what the cesspool of Twitter where low information, high volume is the rule. All these knee jerk jackasses have to do is get out of that cluster f**k echo chamber of group think and go see what he thinks of Trey in his own words. But alas, they just want to rage against perceived slights that only exist in their own minds, fueled by insidious bias on their own behalf.

Just look at the tweet* that was used a few posts above as an example of bias. Lombardi said Purdy has worked exclusively with the 1's and it's tougher. There's nothing there.
[ Edited by SmokeyJoe on Aug 2, 2023 at 8:20 PM ]
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:25 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by DRnSFw:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Last year when Trey had a bad day at camp not once was it mentioned he was going up against the #1 Defense.

I agree call if fair all the way thru. Lombardo getting so defensive about his biases just adds fuel to fans fire that see his tweets lol.

The ones giving him s**t don't know what the f**k they're talking about though. His videos are Trey positive by a large margin. But all they know is what the cesspool of Twitter where low information, high volume is the rule. All these knee jerk jackasses have to do is get out of that cluster f**k echo chamber of group think and go see what he thinks of Trey in his own words. But alas, they just want to rage against perceived slights that only exist in their own minds, fueled by insidious bias on their own behalf.

Does he have an intern writing his tweets for him or something? Should he not be judged by the things he writes?
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:27 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

You are getting fired up over assumed slights. You are assuming Lombardi hates Trey when he's literally got hundreds of videos that prove otherwise. Again, Twitter is a cesspool of low context clickbait. You should really get off that s**t before it rots your brain. The pro Trey Twitter crowd is psycho, they refuse to accept reality, and the echo chamber they have built up is so wierd and cringey that its scary. Anyone who dares to criticize him gets swarmed on by the horde. I am waiting for one of those creepy f**ks to pull a Tanya Harding on Brock just to get Trey in the starting job.

Bias doesn't have to imply hate. If you open your eyes you can easily see it. I'm not trashing Lombardi but he was a better reporter before this type of bias started seeping into his reports.

It's not hard to see. Trey practices poorly and Lombardi goes in heavy. He practices well and Lombardi reports it but accentuates the few misses and how important those are to Kyle's offense. Or mentions a "dropped INT" on a ball that is tipped and hits the DB at the knee level. Then only after being called on it does he start adding dropped INT stats for other QBs.

Feels the need to remind people on Trey's TD run that it could've been a sack in a live game but never brings up similar situations when Brock does well and ignores bad plays when a penalty is called as if somehow the play wasn't made poorly.

Why you don't see that is up to you but don't pretend other people seeing it are crazy.

I just want our local guys to be better. Leave their stupid bias at the door and just report what they see, provide context for all QBs and not just the ones they prefer to look better/worse.

What if we do a thought experiment…

what if Trey Lance was the one playing against the ones but his percentage was lower and ML didn't point out he was only taking first team snaps??? Would that be bias in your opinion?
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If Brock didn't exist we'd all be talking about Nate Sudfeld as the next great 49er QB right now.

Kyle got lucky, no doubt about it. Guys like him don't ordinarily fall off turnip trucks. Got to hand it to Kyle though, for not doing a Mariucci and cutting him and Brock going to the Rams for the next episode of the Greatest show on Turf.

How did Kyle get lucky? when he missed out on the next great 49er QB Sudfeld? Joe and young would've been an afterthought. It sucks that we're missing out on another great, only to be stuck with Purdy and Lance. What a shame.

I was being a bit sarcastic, which is a no no in my book because people can mistake it as a genuine opinion. Sorry about that.

Kyle does have a great eye for QBs and that's one of the main reasons I'm so confident that Trey will be great, and that Brandon Allen has a decent shot at QB3 and possibly knocking Sam out of the 53 squad. I can't wait to see the Raider game. I'm so chomping at the bit for it.
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:47 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

You are getting fired up over assumed slights. You are assuming Lombardi hates Trey when he's literally got hundreds of videos that prove otherwise. Again, Twitter is a cesspool of low context clickbait. You should really get off that s**t before it rots your brain. The pro Trey Twitter crowd is psycho, they refuse to accept reality, and the echo chamber they have built up is so wierd and cringey that its scary. Anyone who dares to criticize him gets swarmed on by the horde. I am waiting for one of those creepy f**ks to pull a Tanya Harding on Brock just to get Trey in the starting job.

Bias doesn't have to imply hate. If you open your eyes you can easily see it. I'm not trashing Lombardi but he was a better reporter before this type of bias started seeping into his reports.

It's not hard to see. Trey practices poorly and Lombardi goes in heavy. He practices well and Lombardi reports it but accentuates the few misses and how important those are to Kyle's offense. Or mentions a "dropped INT" on a ball that is tipped and hits the DB at the knee level. Then only after being called on it does he start adding dropped INT stats for other QBs.

Feels the need to remind people on Trey's TD run that it could've been a sack in a live game but never brings up similar situations when Brock does well and ignores bad plays when a penalty is called as if somehow the play wasn't made poorly.

Why you don't see that is up to you but don't pretend other people seeing it are crazy.

I just want our local guys to be better. Leave their stupid bias at the door and just report what they see, provide context for all QBs and not just the ones they prefer to look better/worse.

The thing is you are accusing me of what you are doing yourself. I am going of hundreds of hours of videos that empirically prove you, and others are freaking out assuming he has bias when you Twitter folks are are the ones chosing to ignore the fact that he regularly praises Trey and is far more positive about him than just about anyone else. It's fine if you want to choose to ignore reality because of the bias you have developed where anyone pointing out a problem hates Trey, and must be racist. Twitter sucks for exactly this reason, you get statements without context, you misconstrue it as some slight against Trey. So if you want to believe what you get from low information Twitter instead of listening to hours of video in support of Trey, you go right ahead. It just means you are ignoring the evidence that proves you're wrong in your assumptions. Being willfully ignorant is a poor choice, especially considering it would cost you nothing but a few minutes of your time correcting that mistake.
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:53 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by DRnSFw:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Last year when Trey had a bad day at camp not once was it mentioned he was going up against the #1 Defense.

I agree call if fair all the way thru. Lombardo getting so defensive about his biases just adds fuel to fans fire that see his tweets lol.

The ones giving him s**t don't know what the f**k they're talking about though. His videos are Trey positive by a large margin. But all they know is what the cesspool of Twitter where low information, high volume is the rule. All these knee jerk jackasses have to do is get out of that cluster f**k echo chamber of group think and go see what he thinks of Trey in his own words. But alas, they just want to rage against perceived slights that only exist in their own minds, fueled by insidious bias on their own behalf.

Does he have an intern writing his tweets for him or something? Should he not be judged by the things he writes?

That I do not know, Twitter is trash, so I avoid it. The better proof is videos that provide context instead of a limited number of characters that provide no context to the words in the tweet.
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