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Aug 2, 2023 at 9:09 PM
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?

The one thing that comforts me is I know we will get to see the preseason games for ourselves and that will let us use our own eyes and give our own opinions
Aug 2, 2023 at 9:13 PM
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
CMC is who saved their season. Hell even Jimmy was looking like a different QB with CMC here. I just don't get how fans can watch Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, And then be satisfied with a limited QB. Don't you want more? Don't you want a QB that atleast has the potential to win an MVP in this league? It seems like fans are just satisfied with a QB that can range anywhere from 10 to 18 in the league.

Have we seen anything from in the NFL Trey that correlates him with those names? Or… is it just the words of college potential we are basing this off of?

Right, and last time I checked - Brock hasn't show any limitations. It's actually quite the opposite. Brock hasn't shown that there is anything he can't execute on the field. Anything said is just projection - not something that's actually happened.

Lance is the one that's shown limitations with things like accuracy (50% completion) etc. he actually hasn't put anything on film to make you believe that he can do anything in the NFL at a high level. You can show a few plays where it was a nice throw, but I can do the same with mayfield, Nick foles, Ryan leaf, Jamarcus Russell etc. Doesn't mean anything until you can actually execute it all consistently & efficiently in the NFL.

there is a reason why his trade value has tanked and he's fighting for QB2.

and before someone says something stupid like "it's only been four starts, we don't know his limitations. Not enough film". If you believe that, then you can't say Brock has limitations with only 7 games. Lol you can't have both.
[ Edited by tankle104 on Aug 2, 2023 at 9:42 PM ]
Aug 2, 2023 at 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
The one thing that comforts me is I know we will get to see the preseason games for ourselves and that will let us use our own eyes and give our own opinions

But Preseason still doesn't tell the whole story and IMO isn't a good way to judge a QB. For instance 1's don't play nowhere near as much as you want to get a proper read on things. Two, QB's are put in different situations, one series there might be more passing the other more running the ball.

IMO, I think Preseason is more for the skill positions Wr's, DB's, RB's and DT's. Notice how we got so many undrafted and late round players at those positions.
Aug 3, 2023 at 4:17 AM
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?

I asked you this before and you ignored it. What bias do I have?

Only bias I have is that Brock or Trey are QB1 and Darnold is QB3. And I've explained why I want to see that and it has more to do with contract status than them as people…well I also don't trust Sam in actual games.
Aug 3, 2023 at 5:22 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?

I asked you this before and you ignored it. What bias do I have?

Only bias I have is that Brock or Trey are QB1 and Darnold is QB3. And I've explained why I want to see that and it has more to do with contract status than them as people…well I also don't trust Sam in actual games.

Your bias is your belief on how things are being reported and there is a stronger belief of the why you think that is happening.

Everything you read is being viewed in that lens.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:05 AM
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?

I asked you this before and you ignored it. What bias do I have?

Only bias I have is that Brock or Trey are QB1 and Darnold is QB3. And I've explained why I want to see that and it has more to do with contract status than them as people…well I also don't trust Sam in actual games.

Your bias is your belief on how things are being reported and there is a stronger belief of the why you think that is happening.

Everything you read is being viewed in that lens.

It's not brain surgery man. I know Lombardi favors Purdy over Trey and sometimes even Darnold over him for whatever reason. His reporting always reads that way with use of key phrasing, missing information or added information to prop up his guys and diminish Trey.

Likewise guys like Cohn are the opposite(he just doesn't really hide it)

We literally saw Lombardi be the ONLY media who had Trey as 1-4 in a practice where fans couldn't attend to check him further. I see that as bias.

Some site his videos praising Trey while ignoring his articles and tweets...guess which get used by national media? Guess which get seen more often?

Honestly I'm over talking about this. It's crystal clear to anyone willing to see it. But end of the day the coaches know what they're looking at and media won't sway them, it's just annoying as fans because we rely on these guys to tell us what we cannot see ourselves.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:13 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
It's not brain surgery man. I know Lombardi favors Purdy over Trey and sometimes even Darnold over him for whatever reason. His reporting always reads that way with use of key phrasing, missing information or added information to prop up his guys and diminish Trey.

Likewise guys like Cohn are the opposite(he just doesn't really hide it)

We literally saw Lombardi be the ONLY media who had Trey as 1-4 in a practice where fans couldn't attend to check him further. I see that as bias.

Some site his videos praising Trey while ignoring his articles and tweets...guess which get used by national media? Guess which get seen more often?

Honestly I'm over talking about this. It's crystal clear to anyone willing to see it. But end of the day the coaches know what they're looking at and media won't sway them, it's just annoying as fans because we rely on these guys to tell us what we cannot see ourselves.

So you have no bias, got it. Just everyone else
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:15 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

Is there any chance that you have more bias than he does?

I asked you this before and you ignored it. What bias do I have?

Only bias I have is that Brock or Trey are QB1 and Darnold is QB3. And I've explained why I want to see that and it has more to do with contract status than them as people…well I also don't trust Sam in actual games.

Your bias is your belief on how things are being reported and there is a stronger belief of the why you think that is happening.

Everything you read is being viewed in that lens.

It's not brain surgery man. I know Lombardi favors Purdy over Trey and sometimes even Darnold over him for whatever reason. His reporting always reads that way with use of key phrasing, missing information or added information to prop up his guys and diminish Trey.

Likewise guys like Cohn are the opposite(he just doesn't really hide it)

We literally saw Lombardi be the ONLY media who had Trey as 1-4 in a practice where fans couldn't attend to check him further. I see that as bias.

Some site his videos praising Trey while ignoring his articles and tweets...guess which get used by national media? Guess which get seen more often?

Honestly I'm over talking about this. It's crystal clear to anyone willing to see it. But end of the day the coaches know what they're looking at and media won't sway them, it's just annoying as fans because we rely on these guys to tell us what we cannot see ourselves.

1-4 vs 2-5?
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:20 AM
I have bias and understand some it which helps me stay objective.

I go back to your comment about the completion percentages. If things were different and TL was QB1 and his completion percentage was lower than other quarterbacks and ML didn't call out that he was throwing against the 1st team… You'd call him bias for not stating that.

You'd say that TL is regularly going against tougher competition and it's not apples to apples and he did not report that to make him look bad.

What we all see is a projection of our beliefs.
[ Edited by Shorteous on Aug 3, 2023 at 7:21 AM ]
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:29 AM
Originally posted by Shorteous:
I have bias and understand some it which helps me stay objective.

I go back to your comment about the completion percentages. If things were different and TL was QB1 and his completion percentage was lower than other quarterbacks and ML didn't call out that he was throwing against the 1st team… You'd call him bias for not stating that.

You'd say that TL is regularly going against tougher competition and it's not apples to apples and he did not report that to make him look bad.

What we all see is a projection of our beliefs.

Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:38 AM
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:43 AM
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

They are big weapons, I agree. If Trey demonstrates the same level of play as Purdy showed, I will be extremely excited! We all will!

For now, though, I haven't seen anything to expect that, and that expectation wouldn't be fair to Lance. He has his own learning curve to follow, as he has his responsibility to follow it and push it. He did a great job, I think, in his offseason work on his mechanics, He is still struggling with the short passes, but I think he is working on fixing that now. It takes time.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:51 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there


Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there


This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

It's funny because none of these stats matter.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:53 AM
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

They are big weapons, I agree. If Trey demonstrates the same level of play as Purdy showed, I will be extremely excited! We all will!

For now, though, I haven't seen anything to expect that, and that expectation wouldn't be fair to Lance. He has his own learning curve to follow, as he has his responsibility to follow it and push it. He did a great job, I think, in his offseason work on his mechanics, He is still struggling with the short passes, but I think he is working on fixing that now. It takes time.

Completing 69% of his passes when he is practicing with the 1st team. He must be on point with those deep and intermediate passes if he is truly struggling with the short one's in order for his completion percentage to be close to 70% still.
Aug 3, 2023 at 7:57 AM
All I know is that JL and MS are well aware of the draft capital and cost they incurred with TL. They've worked intimately with him for 3 years. They have and are continuing to see what they need to make that final decision.

I also know they desperately want to win a Super Bowl. If it's Lance, I'm all in.

I honestly care less about being right and more about winning. I can't do the job but I know they can. Bring it home team.
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