OTAs/Training Camp 2023

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

They are big weapons, I agree. If Trey demonstrates the same level of play as Purdy showed, I will be extremely excited! We all will!

For now, though, I haven't seen anything to expect that, and that expectation wouldn't be fair to Lance. He has his own learning curve to follow, as he has his responsibility to follow it and push it. He did a great job, I think, in his offseason work on his mechanics, He is still struggling with the short passes, but I think he is working on fixing that now. It takes time.

Completing 69% of his passes when he is practicing with the 1st team. He must be on point with those deep and intermediate passes if he is truly struggling with the short one's in order for his completion percentage to be close to 70% still.

I agree there, Lance has pretty accurate intermediate-to-deep passing, from what I can tell. He works out whatever is causing the short range issues, he (and we) will enjoy some consistency.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not brain surgery man. I know Lombardi favors Purdy over Trey and sometimes even Darnold over him for whatever reason. His reporting always reads that way with use of key phrasing, missing information or added information to prop up his guys and diminish Trey.

Likewise guys like Cohn are the opposite(he just doesn't really hide it)

We literally saw Lombardi be the ONLY media who had Trey as 1-4 in a practice where fans couldn't attend to check him further. I see that as bias.

Some site his videos praising Trey while ignoring his articles and tweets...guess which get used by national media? Guess which get seen more often?

Honestly I'm over talking about this. It's crystal clear to anyone willing to see it. But end of the day the coaches know what they're looking at and media won't sway them, it's just annoying as fans because we rely on these guys to tell us what we cannot see ourselves.

So you have no bias, got it. Just everyone else

Don't think I said everyone else. And I have my biases just like anyone else but not when it comes to Brock or Trey. I honestly want both of them to succeed and I don't care which one is our QB1 as long as it's the right choice.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is a great example of what Lombardi does as far as bias. Very subtle but it's there

49ers QBs through 6 sessions below. Disclaimer: Purdy is the only QB working exclusively vs the first-team defense, which is obviously tougher:

Brock Purdy: 29-47 (62%), 3 TD, 2 INT
Trey Lance: 25-39 (64%), 1 TD
Sam Darnold: 25-40 (63%), 3 TD
Brandon Allen: 13-24 (54%), 2 TD

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 2, 2023

Difference between objectivity and transparency - listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions vs listing the numbers through 6 practice sessions and adding the blurb about Purdy working exclusively vs the first string defense and noting how it's tougher and ignoring that he's also the only guy really playing with CMC and the first string OL.

...and here comes some context considering Trey had moments vs the 1st string defense and both practices he was without CMC and one practice without Trent Williams being out there

Trey Lance 9/13 69% 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD (potential sack) 0 int's - Running with the 1s in the two practices Brock Purdy rest.

In case anyone was wondering.

— CROCKPOT🤴🏾 (@Eric_Crocker) August 2, 2023

This is why this stuff is annoying. Just post it up and don't try to pump up someone when it's not needed. We've seen what Brock can do. Most of us understand coming back from that UCL injury is crazy impressive in itself. Having him shake off the rust and distribute the ball well is enough without having to prop him up.

Especially when it's been reported the team rotates players in the first string/second string and even third string at times.

It's funny because none of these stats matter.

I agree and posted as such several times. But if people insist on posting stats then let's keep it consistent.

Originally posted by genus49:
Don't think I said everyone else. And I have my biases just like anyone else but not when it comes to Brock or Trey. I honestly want both of them to succeed and I don't care which one is our QB1 as long as it's the right choice.

Fans will see everything they need to see on the field. They won't be able to decipher anything or make any decisions at practice, as much as they think they should have the power to.

Your previous post was also filled with bias by the way, not sure how you're claiming you don't have any when it comes to Purdy and Trey.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)


And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by genus49:
Don't think I said everyone else. And I have my biases just like anyone else but not when it comes to Brock or Trey. I honestly want both of them to succeed and I don't care which one is our QB1 as long as it's the right choice.

Fans will see everything they need to see on the field. They won't be able to decipher anything or make any decisions at practice, as much as they think they should have the power to.

Your previous post was also filled with bias by the way, not sure how you're claiming you don't have any when it comes to Purdy and Trey.

Do tell. I defend Trey when he's being crapped on without merit. I defend Brock when he's being crapped on without merit.

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

Yeah, just cause the play was successful - doesn't mean it was done right. Kyle wants the plays executed a certain way because it sets up other plays and plays like the one above, just increase potential for risk.

the other day in practice, Lance didn't throw it and started running but reports said Kyle was pissed and yelling at him to throw it.

it's what makes it so hard to decipher how someone is actually doing running the play/offense. It's great that both of them had an outlet and still able to make it into a positive play, but it's riskier in the big scheme. Outside of mahommes, most players will eventually make a big time mistake doing that.

it's why it's so hard to tell who's actually having a good camp. That's why I rely on the coaches (Kyle & Griese) to discuss how they're seeing them in camp - whether they heap praise or not. Because the "stats" don't really tell the story.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

Yeah, just cause the play was successful - doesn't mean it was done right. Kyle wants the plays executed a certain way because it sets up other plays and plays like the one above, just increase potential for risk.

the other day in practice, Lance didn't throw it and started running but reports said Kyle was pissed and yelling at him to throw it.

it's what makes it so hard to decipher how someone is actually doing running the play/offense. It's great that both of them had an outlet and still able to make it into a positive play, but it's riskier in the big scheme. Outside of mahommes, most players will eventually make a big time mistake doing that.

it's why it's so hard to tell who's actually having a good camp. That's why I rely on the coaches (Kyle & Griese) to discuss how they're seeing them in camp - whether they heap praise or not. Because the "stats" don't really tell the story.

Just saw this article posted and it's great and I suggest everyone here read it. Jordan is one of the guys who simply calls it how he sees it. I know I've had my differences of opinion with him but he's consistent in just reporting on what he sees.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/8/3/23817577/brock-purdy-trey-lance-49ers-training-camp-stats

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

lol ok that makes a lot more sense...thought you were losing it.

Purdy 100% saw the field better than Trey but as I said having better players around helps make things easier to see. Trey didn't have a lot of tape but there weren't too many examples where he looked lost. The issues I saw were more hesitancy to make the throw vs missing reads but I'm not going to pretend I know all the playcalls or who Kyle wants to see targeted on that play outside of assuming based on the alignments.

Thing is the two games Trey lost he was the leading rusher and the team made some critical mistakes in key moments. How much is on Trey? How would he do with guys like CMC and Kittle who impact both the run game and passing game in a critical way?

These are unknows. Which is why I'd like to see some of these things known in camp. We saw Jimmy get a lot more comfortable and dangerous in this offense once CMC came into the picture. The reads become easier and defenses have a tougher time defending knowing those guys are on the field.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

I don't have the time atm to dig into the 2021 Seattle game because he and Jimmy both played a half and I don't know how the targets were distributed. However, with a quick search, Trey had targetd 8 different receivers in each of the 2021 Arizona game, Texans game as well as the 2022 Chicago game. So I don't think spreading the ball around is a Trey Lance issue. Or at the very least, there is no evidence to support it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

I don't have the time atm to dig into the 2021 Seattle game because he and Jimmy both played a half and I don't know how the targets were distributed. However, with a quick search, Trey had targetd 8 different receivers in each of the 2021 Arizona game, Texans game as well as the 2022 Chicago game. So I don't think spreading the ball around is a Trey Lance issue. Or at the very least, there is no evidence to support it.

I'm saying during a series. I said at "one point", because I couldn't remember which game it was. I believe it was at Seattle I think or maybe in Las Vegas. But not sure how anyone could question Purdy did in fact see the field much better than the QB's he replaced.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)

I don't think his athleticism was ever in doubt but Shanahan specifically hated that he bailed on a clean pocket here when Jennings was the primary and open for an easy throw. Awfully big risk to take in a what ended up being a 3 point victory. pic.twitter.com/gVFdOuymZr

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 3, 2023

And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

I don't have the time atm to dig into the 2021 Seattle game because he and Jimmy both played a half and I don't know how the targets were distributed. However, with a quick search, Trey had targetd 8 different receivers in each of the 2021 Arizona game, Texans game as well as the 2022 Chicago game. So I don't think spreading the ball around is a Trey Lance issue. Or at the very least, there is no evidence to support it.

I'm saying during a series. I said at "one point", because I couldn't remember which game it was. I believe it was at Seattle I think or maybe in Las Vegas. But not sure how anyone could question Purdy did in fact see the field much better than the QB's he replaced.

Sure but think about it - how much experience does Brock have playing QB vs Lance? Brock was a rookie while Trey was in year 2 but even with that Brock still had more experience playing the position.

We've seen Trey grow within games. If he makes a mistake early, he correct it later. We've seen it in Houston, we've seen it in Chicago. Experience produces a better player. If you see certain situations vs certain looks whether it's college or the NFL you've been able to react to it.

So Trey seeing a lot less than Brock obviously puts him at a disadvantage but it also doesn't mean Trey cannot do these things. And by all accounts he's certainly doing the little things much more confidently this camp.