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Aug 3, 2023 at 10:10 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by genus49:
Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)


And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

Yeah, just cause the play was successful - doesn't mean it was done right. Kyle wants the plays executed a certain way because it sets up other plays and plays like the one above, just increase potential for risk.

the other day in practice, Lance didn't throw it and started running but reports said Kyle was pissed and yelling at him to throw it.

it's what makes it so hard to decipher how someone is actually doing running the play/offense. It's great that both of them had an outlet and still able to make it into a positive play, but it's riskier in the big scheme. Outside of mahommes, most players will eventually make a big time mistake doing that.

it's why it's so hard to tell who's actually having a good camp. That's why I rely on the coaches (Kyle & Griese) to discuss how they're seeing them in camp - whether they heap praise or not. Because the "stats" don't really tell the story.

Just saw this article posted and it's great and I suggest everyone here read it. Jordan is one of the guys who simply calls it how he sees it. I know I've had my differences of opinion with him but he's consistent in just reporting on what he sees.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/8/3/23817577/brock-purdy-trey-lance-49ers-training-camp-stats

Yeah that's a great read, very informative.

i always am a little concerned when the stat sheets are nice and clean during camp, because it makes me feel like the QBs are playing conservative and just trying to complete the ball - which isn't the best approach in camp. You want these guys taking chances and pushing the envelope.
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:13 AM
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:14 AM
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:15 AM
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)


And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

I don't have the time atm to dig into the 2021 Seattle game because he and Jimmy both played a half and I don't know how the targets were distributed. However, with a quick search, Trey had targetd 8 different receivers in each of the 2021 Arizona game, Texans game as well as the 2022 Chicago game. So I don't think spreading the ball around is a Trey Lance issue. Or at the very least, there is no evidence to support it.

I'm saying during a series. I said at "one point", because I couldn't remember which game it was. I believe it was at Seattle I think or maybe in Las Vegas. But not sure how anyone could question Purdy did in fact see the field much better than the QB's he replaced.

I never questioned anything about Purdy. Just making sure that false information isn't being spread about Trey. I would do the same thing for Purdy.

Also, a majority of the receivers that Trey has had to throw to include guys like Dwelley, Sanu, Woerner, Benjamin, Sherfield, Hasty, Kroft and Wilson Jr. Yes. He has also had Deebo, Aiyuk and only half of his games with Kittle and zero with CMC.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Aug 3, 2023 at 10:18 AM ]
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:16 AM
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Aug 3, 2023 at 10:16 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:

Damn, back injury? I thought it was just the knees
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:19 AM
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Originally posted by tankle104:

Damn, back injury? I thought it was just the knees

I'm really excited for him. I think he's going to have a surprise season. We will need him too. If he can. Put together a good year, it'll be HIGE for us.
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:20 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:

That's why it's too bad when people s**t on him. He clearly works his ass off. Just coming back from a knee reconstruction in the time that he did says a lot. Don't have high expectations, but if he steps up this year it's going to be very interesting
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:21 AM
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:21 AM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, everyone has bias of some sort. Most of us are biased for Purdy over Lance because he is a better QB right now. There is no rational argument against that. Purdy proved to be better, and it was immediately noticeable. Lombardi thinks this way also, as stated in his videos.

It is not a bias against Lance, nor does it mean we don't think Lance can continue to improve. He is and will!

I just think it's premature to say this when he had most of his weapons aside from Deebo to play with. What if Trey has the same success as Brock when he has CMC and Kittle? Those two are big key weapons.

You would think the #3 QB elevates the players around him and not the other way around. So tired of this excuse already. It's also the way Purdy saw the field which made him successful and not just the players around him.

Brock did the little things well, which is why Kyle loved him so much but he wasn't perfect and Kyle is a real stickler and that's really probably why he's down on Lance to a degree - we saw that Trey was able to make plays but at times hesitated to take the drawn up open looks.

This is a good example of when a QB makes a big play and fans go crazy but it's actually a problem for Shanahan(as crazy as it sounds)


And before someone dismissed the post because it's from Rich Madrid...the article he posted up is a quote from John Lynch talking about Kyle's reaction to that play.

But as good as Brock saw the field, it sure helps to have guys like CMC and Kittle out there to make plays even when you don't make the right read like the play above...or to clean up your looks when you do make the right reads.

It's kind of hilarious that you expect the #3 QB to be a guy who elevates the team around him tho. It's hard to find those guys to be QB1 let alone the 3rd string QB.

I meant the #3 overall pick. But that part was typed due to me thinking faster than I'm typing. lol

Lets also keep in mind that Brock Purdy was rookie who was the last pick in the draft spreading the ball around to 7 different players at one point. Which is why you'll never need to hear that excuse of Brock not having so and so to play with. Lance has never done that in any of his starts, there's another good example of Purdy seeing the field better than Lance.

I don't have the time atm to dig into the 2021 Seattle game because he and Jimmy both played a half and I don't know how the targets were distributed. However, with a quick search, Trey had targetd 8 different receivers in each of the 2021 Arizona game, Texans game as well as the 2022 Chicago game. So I don't think spreading the ball around is a Trey Lance issue. Or at the very least, there is no evidence to support it.

I'm saying during a series. I said at "one point", because I couldn't remember which game it was. I believe it was at Seattle I think or maybe in Las Vegas. But not sure how anyone could question Purdy did in fact see the field much better than the QB's he replaced.

Sure but think about it - how much experience does Brock have playing QB vs Lance? Brock was a rookie while Trey was in year 2 but even with that Brock still had more experience playing the position.

We've seen Trey grow within games. If he makes a mistake early, he correct it later. We've seen it in Houston, we've seen it in Chicago. Experience produces a better player. If you see certain situations vs certain looks whether it's college or the NFL you've been able to react to it.

So Trey seeing a lot less than Brock obviously puts him at a disadvantage but it also doesn't mean Trey cannot do these things. And by all accounts he's certainly doing the little things much more confidently this camp.

It's a big part of the many reasons that I think shipping him off now is wildly premature. I feel like some are convinced that he's 100% the same guy he was as a rookie. By all accounts, that's not even close to true right now.

Hopefully Purdy not only balls out, but stays healthy all year, but we simply don't know what's going to happen. I expect Brock to be fine and lock things down, but if anything crazy happens and the opposite occurs, what better contingency plan than a much-improved, mega-high upside guy our coach/GM/players have a strong belief in and repeatedly have stated they expect him to be great once he gets those reps?
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Aug 3, 2023 at 10:30 AM ]
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by tankle104:

That's why it's too bad when people s**t on him. He clearly works his ass off. Just coming back from a knee reconstruction in the time that he did says a lot. Don't have high expectations, but if he steps up this year it's going to be very interesting

I sorta gave up on him but I'm getting the faith back in him.
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:24 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
There goes the "cerebral" vs "athlete" thing again. These people just can't hide their veiled bigotry.
Aug 3, 2023 at 10:25 AM
Originally posted by tankle104:
I sorta gave up on him but I'm getting the faith back in him.

Tank, you see BP is going today?
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