OTAs/Training Camp 2023

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
My point was to say that you shouldn't rely on one reporter/writer/TV personality/former player/podcaster or what have you… and believe whatever they say as undeniably true.

Schefter was always someone I believed to be a credible reporter, but I believe recently it's been well documented that he's just as capable of reporting misinformation as much as he reports true information. I believe you have to think this way about Schefter now, as opposed to believing everything he reports is true.

I listen to Lombardi, as well as Cohn, and all of the 49ers content creators. Most of the time I think Cohn is just posting stuff for clicks, but every once and awhile I think he says something a lot of 49ers reporters are afraid to say.

Does that mean I think highly of Cohn? Absolutely not.

So just because you usually don't like Rich Madrid's opinions, that doesn't mean everything he says is wrong.

I definitely agree with what you're saying in general… especially about using multiple sources, and the idea that someone who may be wrong often can be right at times as well.

I'm just saying in regards to Schefter, if he's reporting something you can believe he heard it from a credible source. Why the information was given to him is a different question. You can see people rejecting this simply because Schefter may report something people don't want to hear, or he's offering an opinion that ended up incorrect. What isn't happening is Schefter is making up reports because he has an axe to grind (example: negative reporting about Lance because he's mad that he didn't accurately predict the 49ers would draft him. Just sheer nonsense.)

Right, and I acknowledge I probably didn't choose my words correctly last time we spoke about this, but I'm not sure what warrants a credible source in this case.

If Schefter goes back to the source that told him the 49ers were all in on Mac Jones, and then posts another report about the 49ers feelings about Trey from that same source(I'm guessing in this case), is Schefter not biased from who he chooses to get his information from?

I understand he's not giving his personal opinion, but doesn't a reporter have the responsibility to protect his reputation by vetting his sources? Even if that source is an Owner of an NFL franchise, if that person gives false information, doesn't he have the ability to not work with them?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Right, and I acknowledge I probably didn't choose my words correctly last time we spoke about this, but I'm not sure what warrants a credible source in this case.

If Schefter goes back to the source that told him the 49ers were all in on Mac Jones, and then posts another report about the 49ers feelings about Trey from that same source(I'm guessing in this case), is Schefter not biased from who he chooses to get his information from?

I understand he's not giving his personal opinion, but doesn't a reporter have the responsibility to protect his reputation by vetting his sources? Even if that source is an Owner of an NFL franchise, if that person gives false information, doesn't he have the ability to not work with them?

I think there's probably a timing issue involved with potential information. Decision making isn't static… it changes. He may have heard one thing in late March that changed by the time the draft happens, as a broad example.

I also think he vets his sources. That's how quality reporting works. Hear something, get told something… check with other connections. This wouldn't prevent misinformation necessarily because an organization would presumably be on the same page in putting it out there.

Now that training camp is underway here is a list of things I am interested in seeing.

1) How the QB play evolves. Have to admit I'm very curious to see what Lance and Darnold look like in pre-season. Darnold and Allen are both on one year deals I think, while Lance has two more years I believe. Wonder how all that will affect the calculation on who stays and who goes.

2) Lots of interesting position battles along the lines and WR, RB and LB. There's a lot to like about Greenlaw but I'm beginning to think that he is kind of a dirty player. Seems like he gets three or four penalties a year for late hits, a lot of which have been really blatant and unnecessary. Hopefully, he cleans it up a bit this season. Lots of buzz on that RB they drafted in the 3rd round last year. Personally, I would like to see more of Jordan Mason. With all props to McCaffrey, I think they used him WAY too much last year, would like to see another back get some of those touches so that McCaffery isn't taking so much of a beating.

3) With the way that the 49ers seem to be dealing with their cap, a handful of stars surrounded by a changing cast of role players. I think we will have to get use to fan favorites moving on every few years. I suspect this is Jennings last year with the team so it will be interesting to see who might step up to take his place. Hopefully Jackson and Beal will make up for the lost contributions of Ebukam and Omenihu and Kinlaw will finally be able to show everyone why they picked him in the first round.

4) Ferrel may have signed his pink slip by hitting Brock on the elbow today. Just kidding, but I imagine he is going to get ripped pretty good for that.

Go Niners!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Pads. Are. On. 💥 #49ersCamp pic.twitter.com/9rZQWvvsqz

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) August 1, 2023

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Pads. Are. On. 💥 #49ersCamp pic.twitter.com/9rZQWvvsqz

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) August 1, 2023

Let's go 49ers!

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Pads. Are. On. 💥 #49ersCamp pic.twitter.com/9rZQWvvsqz

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) August 1, 2023

Let's go 49ers!

Can't wait for the season!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

3rd & very long and Trey Lance completes a deep comeback that falls just short of the 1st down marker

Shanahan brings out Jake Moody who completed a long FG

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) July 31, 2023

Deep comeback? Haven't seen that get completed since Kap. That's a big arm throw.

Agree 💯%, and that's why I'm confident Kyle will keep Trey for more development. If Kyle can help Trey develop his inner Brock Purdy, he'll be a hall-of-fame slam dunk.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
What's insulting is people ignoring pretty important context about training camp because they're concentrating on a tweet from last season.

And no that tweet doesn't argue against my point. Because the checks at the line and the little things don't change if you have stars out there with players, if anything it makes the completions and big plays easier.

You can still draw a defender offsides with CMC in the backfield vs TDP. You can still go through your progressions with Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle and CMC out there vs Conley, Jennings, Dwelley and TDP...it just improves your odds of success on that play.

But thanks for playing.

Better surrounding players improve production, but not necessarily the individual play of the QB. That's what he's talking about by process. The tweet was in direct response to someone making the argument you keep making about needing to see Trey with all the stars so it can be a 'fair' competition. It's horses**t that people who live and die by basic stats can't get beyond.

No it wasn't lol. He Retweeted his own old post to make the same point that people miss the little things which matter in these practices because they concentrate on the sexy things like completion % and talks about to him that stuff and who they practice with don't matter as long as the QB shows they understand the offense and do the little things that translate to better play.

Process is - read the defense, know your protection, do the little things like draw the defense offsides, know where to go with the ball and when it makes sense to check it down.

He posts blurbs from Kyle Posey that talks about Trey doing those things. And guess what, having better players around a QB along with the QB showing he can do those little things does increase the odds of better production. Better WRs make impressive catches or beat defenders.

We just saw CMC beat Fred Warner out there. Think having a guy like that doesn't improve ability to hit a big play via checkdown or even force the defense into a worse spot?

This was a good read on camp today. Much more detail

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/7/31/23814559/trey-lance-sam-darnold-javon-kinlaw-49ers

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was a good read on camp today. Much more detail

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/7/31/23814559/trey-lance-sam-darnold-javon-kinlaw-49ers

Thanks for posting that 808. Great read and BOTH kickers nailed their kicks from 55+ yards Money Moody

This qb situation should be interesting to watch 🍿 though, I feel a bit uneasy about it lol. All of the unknowns lol. Hope Brock is able to come full circle eventually. But good to know we have good backups just in case. Damn injuries:p. Trey is throwing some really nice balls, we will see what happens.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
This was a good read on camp today. Much more detail

https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/7/31/23814559/trey-lance-sam-darnold-javon-kinlaw-49ers

Thanks for posting that 808. Great read and BOTH kickers nailed their kicks from 55+ yards Monet Moody

Originally posted by Montana:
This qb situation should be interesting to watch 🍿 though, I feel a bit uneasy about it lol. All of the unknowns lol. Hope Brock is able to come full circle eventually. But good to know we have good backups just in case. Damn injuries:p. Trey is throwing some really nice balls, we will see what happens.

Brock will be fine. Just has to get back to where he was last year and he'll be good.

I do think it's somewhat funny how some people are posting about his practice yesterday like it was good. Jack Hammer made it sound like the only two bad plays he had all practice was the pick to Dre and the fumble. I think we know how the same type of practice would've been described for Trey.

Also goes to show that rep counts matter because they allow a QB to work out the kinks. Brock started yesterday going 3/7 with the int and fumble but then he got into a groove and finished strong. That's the tale of two halves so to speak. But if you don't get the second "half" to find that groove then we all know the narratives that fly.

Originally posted by genus49:
Brock will be fine. Just has to get back to where he was last year and he'll be good.

I do think it's somewhat funny how some people are posting about his practice yesterday like it was good. Jack Hammer made it sound like the only two bad plays he had all practice was the pick to Dre and the fumble. I think we know how the same type of practice would've been described for Trey.

Also goes to show that rep counts matter because they allow a QB to work out the kinks. Brock started yesterday going 3/7 with the int and fumble but then he got into a groove and finished strong. That's the tale of two halves so to speak. But if you don't get the second "half" to find that groove then we all know the narratives that fly.

Yeah, thinking Brock just has to get into his groove again. Things are different after big injuries. Takes time to adjust physically & mentally, it's challenging.