Preseason 2023: 49ers at Raiders - Game 1

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who's got bunch of excellent plays? We haven't had a QB make a bunch of "excellent" plays in forever.

I never said he had a great day today. Overall the whole team looked awful but it's preseason.

People giving me s**t about bad throws being bad throw's regardless of the outcome of the throw, need to keep that same energy with everyone. That's my point…Stats don't tell the whole story either, today is proof of it.

Purdy played consistently well last season. People are willing to give him a pass on a few dropped interceptions.

Lance has never played consistently well. People are going to think his near interceptions are less likely aberrations.

Having these opinions isn't hypocrisy.

Yeah, Lance and Purdy have had very few opportunities - yet one has looked exponentially better than the other. So I give Brock a benefit of the doubt, because he's shown what he's capable of. Lance hasn't done that.

if/when he does play well, he will start to get that too.

it's just one game, not the end of the world, but Lance did look worse than I expected. His supporting cast didn't do much to help him but also didn't help himself.

Lance has played in what 3 full games in his career lol?

Again people run around here tossing out stats like QB rating comp % YPA like that's all that matters, especially with Sam. now that s**t doesn't matter. Shocking lolZ

bad throws are bad throws, regardless of the outcome…if you can talk about them with one player, it should apply for everyone else all the same. If not then your credibility as being objective is crap.

acting like anyone gets the benefit of the doubt off of 170 passing attempts is ridiculous…good or bad.

With all due respect. Shanahan has and he is the one who runs the show so...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Who's got bunch of excellent plays? We haven't had a QB make a bunch of "excellent" plays in forever.

I never said he had a great day today. Overall the whole team looked awful but it's preseason.

People giving me s**t about bad throws being bad throw's regardless of the outcome of the throw, need to keep that same energy with everyone. That's my point…Stats don't tell the whole story either, today is proof of it.

Purdy played consistently well last season. People are willing to give him a pass on a few dropped interceptions.

Lance has never played consistently well. People are going to think his near interceptions are less likely aberrations.

Having these opinions isn't hypocrisy.

Yeah, Lance and Purdy have had very few opportunities - yet one has looked exponentially better than the other. So I give Brock a benefit of the doubt, because he's shown what he's capable of. Lance hasn't done that.

if/when he does play well, he will start to get that too.

it's just one game, not the end of the world, but Lance did look worse than I expected. His supporting cast didn't do much to help him but also didn't help himself.

Lance has played in what 3 full games in his career lol?

Again people run around here tossing out stats like QB rating comp % YPA like that's all that matters, especially with Sam. now that s**t doesn't matter. Shocking lolZ

bad throws are bad throws, regardless of the outcome…if you can talk about them with one player, it should apply for everyone else all the same. If not then your credibility as being objective is crap.

acting like anyone gets the benefit of the doubt off of 170 passing attempts is ridiculous…good or bad[b].

Purdy has done nothing to create any doubt. Lance and Darnold have created lots of doubt and continue to do so.
Why respond to criticism of Trey by trying to cast doubt on Brock?

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance has played in what 3 full games in his career lol?

Again people run around here tossing out stats like QB rating comp % YPA like that's all that matters, especially with Sam. now that s**t doesn't matter. Shocking lolZ

bad throws are bad throws, regardless of the outcome…if you can talk about them with one player, it should apply for everyone else all the same. If not then your credibility as being objective is crap.

acting like anyone gets the benefit of the doubt off of 170 passing attempts is ridiculous…good or bad.

The problem is this team has NOT proven in this era that QB2 will not be required during the season for a prolonged period of time. You can't play to be fearful but facts are facts until proven otherwise. Lack of play or not is Trey the one you want in for three or four games if required and where the division crown might ride on it. I've been with Trey as the pick all along but even I am waking up this might be a mistake.

Based off yesterday? All the reports coming out of camp have been very positive. If I posted his stat line and you didn't watch the game, would you have been happy?

it was clear as day this team didn't prepare to win the game. There was no thought to the play calls and the team overall stunk on both sides. s**t we gave up 34 pts and missed a bunch of FGs from our 3rd rd pick.

while it would have been cool to see Lance play really well, I don't care so much about what happens in preseason games, just don't get hurt.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
With all due respect. Shanahan has and he is the one who runs the show so...

Oh I know he has. He's put all his stock into Brock.

Again this is the same dude that gave up 3 1sts just to get Lance in the building, passed on Mahomes/Watson/Allen for Kirk. Passed on Brady for Jimmy and made JG the highest paid player in history off of 5 meaningless games.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Purdy has done nothing to create any doubt. Lance and Darnold have created lots of doubt and continue to do so.
Why respond to criticism of Trey by trying to cast doubt on Brock?

Purdy had his fair share of bad plays, they just didn't result in INTs or a loss. That doesn't mean those plays don't exist and couldn't change if he keeps doing the same stuff. We're seeing it in TC. A lot of INTs and dropped picks as well. Hopefully it's nothing because clearly we're all in with BCB.

I agree Sam and Lance haven't proven anything. So I'm telling people to stop tossing out QB stats pretending they were amazing (without context) LIKE Sam last yr….unless you're gonna do the same s**t with Lance's stats yesterday…which if you looked at them they tell a different story then what we watched.

I debate with the same people all the damn time about context. Let's use it for everyone.

And who knows maybe Lance just sucks and that's that…dude is just a baby in regards to actual playing time though.

IMO overall it was hard to value anything from that s**t show yesterday across the board. I mean can we even discuss anyone playing well?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And who knows maybe Lance just sucks and that's that…dude is just a baby in regards to actual playing time though.

IMO overall it was hard to value anything from that s**t show yesterday across the board. I mean can we even discuss anyone playing well?

What's up with the gameplan preparation? What's up with our coaches? Aren't they doing a disservice to the bubble players who are trying to make the team?

Originally posted by 49erKing:
What's up with the gameplan preparation? What's up with our coaches? Aren't they doing a disservice to the bubble players who are trying to make the team?

Remember when Kyle said that's why he prefers practices to preseason games? Because it's easier to practice certain situations to evaluate certain players.

Define gameplan. There's a difference between trying to win a meaningless preseason game, and calling specific plays to again, evaluate strengths and weaknesses of the team/certain players.

Would you like to have seen better results? Yes, but preseason is more about collecting data that winning.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Purdy had his fair share of bad plays, they just didn't result in INTs or a loss. That doesn't mean those plays don't exist and couldn't change if he keeps doing the same stuff. We're seeing it in TC. A lot of INTs and dropped picks as well. Hopefully it's nothing because clearly we're all in with BCB.

I agree Sam and Lance haven't proven anything. So I'm telling people to stop tossing out QB stats pretending they were amazing (without context) LIKE Sam last yr….unless you're gonna do the same s**t with Lance's stats yesterday…which if you looked at them they tell a different story then what we watched.

I debate with the same people all the damn time about context. Let's use it for everyone.

There's no debate, Purdy has been the best in game performer. That's why he is QB1.

Practice is practice, who cares. It's no different than an MLB ace giving up 4 homerus in 3 inning is spring training because he was just out there working on location of his change up.

Can we wait until he's Geno Smith's age to see if he's any good?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance has played in what 3 full games in his career lol?

Again people run around here tossing out stats like QB rating comp % YPA like that's all that matters, especially with Sam. now that s**t doesn't matter. Shocking lolZ

bad throws are bad throws, regardless of the outcome…if you can talk about them with one player, it should apply for everyone else all the same. If not then your credibility as being objective is crap.

acting like anyone gets the benefit of the doubt off of 170 passing attempts is ridiculous…good or bad.

He's not seeing it. They're bad throws because he's throwing late, without anticipation. That's something that should be better in his third year in the system.

Here's the reality as I see it. It's a Now league, and if Kyle had to play a game tomorrow that counted, Trey Lance would be his fourth and last choice at quarterback. I know you're invested, but that means there is no room on this team for him.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
What's up with the gameplan preparation? What's up with our coaches? Aren't they doing a disservice to the bubble players who are trying to make the team?

Remember when Kyle said that's why he prefers practices to preseason games? Because it's easier to practice certain situations to evaluate certain players.

Define gameplan. There's a difference between trying to win a meaningless preseason game, and calling specific plays to again, evaluate strengths and weaknesses of the team/certain players.

Would you like to have seen better results? Yes, but preseason is more about collecting data that winning.

True but that was an awful showing from the score obviously (I didn't watch it) and what everyone here is saying. Good teams typically play well in the preaseason too. I know teams play vanilla ball but they still execute the basics. But like the season was over last year after the thumping by the Chiefs, we'll be fine :)

Anyone wanna bet that Purdy has terrible halves, hell even terrible games this year too?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
With all due respect. Shanahan has and he is the one who runs the show so...

Oh I know he has. He's put all his stock into Brock.

Again this is the same dude that gave up 3 1sts just to get Lance in the building, passed on Mahomes/Watson/Allen for Kirk. Passed on Brady for Jimmy and made JG the highest paid player in history off of 5 meaningless games.

The only one of those QB's to win a SB and is a FQB is the only one needed for you to make your point. The others are irrelevant. And don't word it like we paid Jimmy after we turned down Brady. We were already paying Jimmy and we were fresh off of a SB appearance at the time Brady became a FA.

How often does a top 5 talented roster/top 5 coaching staff have the opportunity to draft in the top 5? Trey checked off a majority of the boxes when it comes to evaluating college QB's but it just hasn't translated onto the field up to this point. Not all top 5 QB's go on to have successful careers. What better weapons and offensive mind could Trey have asked for coming into the league? If Trey was ready to play from day 1, he would have been playing from day 1. Plain and simple.

On the other hand, you have Brock, Mr. Irrelevant. Who everyone overlooked coming out of college. Barely gets any reps in TC. Shows out in the pre season and earns a roster spot over a guy we gave a $2 million guaranteed contract to. Comes in cold off the bench deep in the season, in the middle of a playoff run and takes this team to the NFCCG.

Shanahan would be the laughing stock of the NFL if he handed Trey the job just because of draft status, ignoring the elite production the offense was producing while Brock was running the show.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
He's not seeing it. They're bad throws because he's throwing late, without anticipation. That's something that should be better in his third year in the system.

Here's the reality as I see it. It's a Now league, and if Kyle had to play a game tomorrow that counted, Trey Lance would be his fourth and last choice at quarterback. I know you're invested, but that means there is no room on this team for him.

That should be better for someone with 30 starts in year 3 not someone with less then 5.