49ers @ Raiders: What I saw after reviewing clips of the game

NEGATIVES
1. OG Zakelj just sat there half the time and didn't move his feet. It's just one game, but he looked worse than last year.

2. OG Poe still getting tossed around at times and seems to lack the balance you need to play at the NFL level. While he can move well laterally, he clearly continues to struggle moving back in pass blocking. I can't tell if he keeps opening up too soon or what, but his susceptibility to swim moves is still very noticeable this year once again.

3. TE Woerner was whiff city on blocks.

4. CB Oliver - He was embarrassed his entire time in there. Did not look like an established vet. If his only ability it blitzing, that shouldn't be enough to see the field. Dude got absolutely cooked numerous times.

5. CB Quantrezz Knight - WOOF. Can't tackle for sh___ -- Go watch his "attempt" on the TD run that sent the Raiders up 23-7.

6. S Myles Hartsfield - Atrocious discipline, with his worst blown assignment being the easy TD given up on PA to send the Raiders up 34-7.

7. Interior DL - None of them seem to understand what "gap integrity" means. Everyone just flew upfield at random or got blown off the ball and turn out for massive holes.



POSITIVES
1. OL Ilm Manning, who many thought had to be inside at the NFL level due to his lack of length saw time at LT and did way better than I would've expected. He stayed square to his man and held his ground great on the Darnold bomb to Bell. I was impressed overall, and I'd love to see more. He legitimately looked better than Moore, Pryor, and Watson. His run blocking wasn't as impressive as PP, but I'm curious how he does in the next couple games.

2. CB Ambry Thomas - Have we given him some cross-training in the slot? Ambry stuck his nose in there in the run game and was solid in coverage.

3. CB/KR D'Shawn Jamison - some good, some bad in coverage but the dude sounds super coachable and I expect him to make strides this month. He immediately stands out as a gifted returner with the vision to make plays. Another showing like Sunday, and he should solidify his claim to that role.



OTHER NOTES
1. TE Latu.. The kid can get open and he's really not bad as a blocker, but man, FFS if he could just catch the ball cleanly, he'd honestly be just fine. I'll give him a break on the fumble cause he was still trying to get the ball tucked on that play. He's not the first to ever have a fumble, Deebo's had his fair share too. Overall, I see the talent, but he needs to settle down. Hopefully this is just rookie nerves.

2. RB Davis-Price does look much stronger running the ball than he did last year. Mason was poor in PP and added an inexcusable drop.

The good, the bad, and the Latu

Good analysis - please keep doing it.

I think Knight will bounce back. He's a guy I want on the team.

Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

Thanks for your post OTC, you got a good point about Latu, everyone is just down on him due to that fumble. I'm sure he'll bounce back. Also not impressed with Myles Hartfield, I expected him to be a little better than what I saw with him having experience in Wilks defense.

Originally posted by thl408:

Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

I know our scheme is big on penetrators, but we still need guys who can plug the gaps well.

Flash judgment for me at this point is we still need to address secondary depth, OL depth, and interior DL in terms of gap sound guys. Fill those holes so everyone else can rally to the ball.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

I know our scheme is big on penetrators, but we still need guys who can plug the gaps well.

Flash judgment for me at this point is we still need to address secondary depth, OL depth, and interior DL in terms of gap sound guys. Fill those holes so everyone else can rally to the ball.

I do have concerns about the DT position and their ability to play the run. Hargrave wasn't known as a run stopper. I have not seen that in Givens. AA is good, but I'd like him to stay fresh for 3rd downs so he shouldn't be in there for all the run/pass neutral downs. KDavis is an unknown. Kinlaw hasn't shown that ability. I'm glad they retained TYMcGill. I remember him being solid at holding his ground. But one injury to AA or McGill and there could be a deficiency in run stopping DTs.

only thing worse than pre season over reaction is folks overrating to homer TC reports.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

I know our scheme is big on penetrators, but we still need guys who can plug the gaps well.

Flash judgment for me at this point is we still need to address secondary depth, OL depth, and interior DL in terms of gap sound guys. Fill those holes so everyone else can rally to the ball.

I do have concerns about the DT position and their ability to play the run. Hargrave wasn't known as a run stopper. I have not seen that in Givens. AA is good, but I'd like him to stay fresh for 3rd downs so he shouldn't be in there for all the run/pass neutral downs. KDavis is an unknown. Kinlaw hasn't shown that ability. I'm glad they retained TYMcGill. I remember him being solid at holding his ground. But one injury to AA or McGill and there could be a deficiency in run stopping DTs.

McGill I hope just had an off game. He was also abused on the same TD run where Knight had a laughable whiff.

Personally I want to see who rebounds the best. Those are guys worth a good look, if you can see your mistakes, fix them, and show up the next time around.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

I know our scheme is big on penetrators, but we still need guys who can plug the gaps well.

Flash judgment for me at this point is we still need to address secondary depth, OL depth, and interior DL in terms of gap sound guys. Fill those holes so everyone else can rally to the ball.

I do have concerns about the DT position and their ability to play the run. Hargrave wasn't known as a run stopper. I have not seen that in Givens. AA is good, but I'd like him to stay fresh for 3rd downs so he shouldn't be in there for all the run/pass neutral downs. KDavis is an unknown. Kinlaw hasn't shown that ability. I'm glad they retained TYMcGill. I remember him being solid at holding his ground. But one injury to AA or McGill and there could be a deficiency in run stopping DTs.

McGill I hope just had an off game. He was also abused on the same TD run where Knight had a laughable whiff.

Personally I want to see who rebounds the best. Those are guys worth a good look, if you can see your mistakes, fix them, and show up the next time around.

I would have never let DJ go tbh. We haven't had a run stopper like that in awhile and since

Where's Ronnie Bell in the positives? Or Kinlaw in the negatives?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by thl408:
Good stuff, OTC. I do remember the DL slanting/stunting on a couple run plays and it resulted in a huge running lane. This is the part where actual game planning would result in a better timed DL stunt. But since there is no study of tendencies (preseason), the 49er coaches may have just called it without caring about the offensive playcall.

Oliver looked slow, and being a good blitzer is not the primary, or secondary, skillset for a slot CB. Ambry becoming good enough to contribute would help immensely. The CB group has taken some tough injuries the past couple seasons (Verrett, Moseley).

I know our scheme is big on penetrators, but we still need guys who can plug the gaps well.

Flash judgment for me at this point is we still need to address secondary depth, OL depth, and interior DL in terms of gap sound guys. Fill those holes so everyone else can rally to the ball.

I do have concerns about the DT position and their ability to play the run. Hargrave wasn't known as a run stopper. I have not seen that in Givens. AA is good, but I'd like him to stay fresh for 3rd downs so he shouldn't be in there for all the run/pass neutral downs. KDavis is an unknown. Kinlaw hasn't shown that ability. I'm glad they retained TYMcGill. I remember him being solid at holding his ground. But one injury to AA or McGill and there could be a deficiency in run stopping DTs.

McGill I hope just had an off game. He was also abused on the same TD run where Knight had a laughable whiff.

Personally I want to see who rebounds the best. Those are guys worth a good look, if you can see your mistakes, fix them, and show up the next time around.

I would have never let DJ go tbh. We haven't had a run stopper like that in awhile and since

Instead the 49ers signed Mooney Ward. That was the team's decision because, "Kinlaw will be good".

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Where's Ronnie Bell in the positives? Or Kinlaw in the negatives?

Was trying to touch on players that haven't already been discussed a bunch a already.

Kin was lumped in with the whole interior lol.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Where's Ronnie Bell in the positives? Or Ronnie Bell in the negatives?

fixed