OL Ilm Manning (2023 UDFA)

If this guy can develop to be a stud center, that would be amazing. Brendel is in his 30s and a solid player, but nothing special. I'd also like to see him at guard, he has that nasty streak.

i think worst case he can be like brunskill was for us, a solid depth player who had versatility.

id like to see him developed as a C over the next season or two (depending on how brindel plays), then we draft a tackle next year in the first round or so to groom for a year or two to replace Trent eventually (or potentially replace mckivitz if he is struggling).

then we can use guys like Brendel & Mckivitz as quality depth and have a much more sound top 8 o lineman.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
This is a pretty good clip on Manning's game against the Raiders. Very complimentary of his play. The other thing that stood out was how bad Ty Davis-Price was in pass protection. He was getting beat on almost every play he showed up in. Something to watch out for going forward.

That's a nice breakdown right there.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
His nickname should be short round

No time for love Dr Jones

Originally posted by tankle104:
If this guy can develop to be a stud center, that would be amazing. Brendel is in his 30s and a solid player, but nothing special. I'd also like to see him at guard, he has that nasty streak.

i think worst case he can be like brunskill was for us, a solid depth player who had versatility.

id like to see him developed as a C over the next season or two (depending on how brindel plays), then we draft a tackle next year in the first round or so to groom for a year or two to replace Trent eventually (or potentially replace mckivitz if he is struggling).

then we can use guys like Brendel & Mckivitz as quality depth and have a much more sound top 8 o lineman.

What are these "first round" picks that you speak of? I've heard of them but not sure they exist lol.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

This is a pretty good clip on Manning's game against the Raiders. Very complimentary of his play. The other thing that stood out was how bad Ty Davis-Price was in pass protection. He was getting beat on almost every play he showed up in. Something to watch out for going forward.

That's a nice breakdown right there.

The fact of the matter is, I don't care if he's doing this against the level of guys he faced in college, because you know what? That's what got a bunch of other rookie linemen drafted in days one and two.

He dominated these guys. Could he still be average at the NFL level? Sure, and yes, we gotta see another game against a different set of players, but he has been doing this in practice reportedly too and even just average for a rookie is definitely worth keeping as a backup on the roster.

He whooped Isaac Rochell who gave our other guys problems. Rochell is a six year vet.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
This is a pretty good clip on Manning's game against the Raiders. Very complimentary of his play. The other thing that stood out was how bad Ty Davis-Price was in pass protection. He was getting beat on almost every play he showed up in. Something to watch out for going forward.

That's a nice breakdown right there.

Yeah, I don't know what this guy's name is, but he is one of the few 49er content creators that I can stand watching, outside of jonnydel of course. Apparently, this guy used to be an offensive lineman, so he has some insight into what he's talking about here. In a world of 6'6 offensive linemen you'd like Manning to be a little bigger, but it would seem that he possesses some pretty solid technique. The other thing that stood out watching this clip, in a related sort of way, is how small Jason Poe looks out there. You've gotta love his fight, but man, he really looks short compared to everyone else.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Yeah I'm starting to think Ilm Manning has a real shot at making the team, looked like the best OL out there Sunday.

Saturday can't come soon enough. I love me some OL tape honestly lol.

This is quality content 🤌 @AnalyticsPlant pic.twitter.com/cALYavPwjt

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

ALL ABOARD THE OFFICIAL ILM MANNING HYPE TRAIN

Shows ability to move in space, works through the junk and puts a Raider on his face 🥞 pic.twitter.com/3H89uNLMhU

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) August 17, 2023

Technique and Fundamentals is the name of the game! #TRST #US https://t.co/hInpmwmOmu

— Roman Sapolu (@coachsapolu) August 17, 2023

Graham is a former NFL OL, FYI.

That's some really good tape. I was hoping Fisher would play like this at T or now Guard but this guy is off to a great start

Natural Born Killah !!!!

Originally posted by elguapo:
If that's the case and he eventually becomes starter material, do we kick out Burford to RT to replace McKivitz

I honestly don't know why this idea isn't getting more traction. Are they worried they are going to screw up Burford? He has the size - long enough arms and I believe he played OT - well at that. Some reps at the OT position would be nice. 5 best OLman right? At this point given how thin the entire league is at OL I really worry about sticking him on the practice squad.

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by elguapo:
If that's the case and he eventually becomes starter material, do we kick out Burford to RT to replace McKivitz

I honestly don't know why this idea isn't getting more traction. Are they worried they are going to screw up Burford? He has the size - long enough arms and I believe he played OT - well at that. Some reps at the OT position would be nice. 5 best OLman right? At this point given how thin the entire league is at OL I really worry about sticking him on the practice squad.

I'm waiting to see how McKivitz plays today before I start saying replace him, we haven't seen him in live action at RT with this line, he played well at LT when given chances/needed, so I have hopes, not high hopes, but hope that he can play well.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
The Niners had an undersized left tackle in Dan Audick (6 ft 3 in, 252 lb) in the 1981 season and Super Bowl. He also played at Hawaii.

Wikipedia:
In 1981, Audick was traded to the San Francisco 49ers. Though he was considered to be "undersized" for the left tackle position, he was tasked with the responsibility of protecting Joe Montana's "blindside." Under the guidance of Coach Bill Walsh, Audick was a key contributor on the final 89-yard drive that led to the play that has been immortalized as "The Catch" in the 1982 NFC Playoffs versus the Dallas Cowboys. Audick subsequently started in Super Bowl XVI wearing number 61 for the 49ers' 26-21 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.[2]

When Michael Lewis was researching for his 2006 book, The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game, he called upon several former NFL coaches and players who had played the left tackle position including Audick.[citation needed] Audick helped Lewis understand the role of the "undersized" versus the "prototypical."[citation needed] In Lewis's book, Audick is credited with having played a contributing role in the evolution of the "undersized" left tackle position. In 2009, the book was made into a movie called The Blind Side.

Audick was the first student athlete to graduate from the University of Hawaii and to contribute to a winning Super Bowl team.

Agree, undersized OT's can play in the NFL if they are smart and athletic enough.
Dan was able to deal with Lawrence Taylor in 1981. I still remember that knock down drag out playoff game. That game was every bit a nail biter as the 1981 Dwight Clark *The Catch* game.

Those feet are sexy. More of a dancing bear than The Dancing Bear.

Originally posted by tankle104:
If this guy can develop to be a stud center, that would be amazing. Brendel is in his 30s and a solid player, but nothing special. I'd also like to see him at guard, he has that nasty streak.

i think worst case he can be like brunskill was for us, a solid depth player who had versatility.

id like to see him developed as a C over the next season or two (depending on how brindel plays), then we draft a tackle next year in the first round or so to groom for a year or two to replace Trent eventually (or potentially replace mckivitz if he is struggling).

then we can use guys like Brendel & Mckivitz as quality depth and have a much more sound top 8 o lineman.

Personally, any time a guy like Brendel or a guy like Manning can make the 53 - that to me is the equivalent of (at worst) a fourth round pick. Rounds 1 to 4 are starter quality picks, while rounds 5 to 7 are backup quality picks in general. Now Brendel made the 2nd team all pro, to me Brendel is verging on a first round value pick - in essence, and saved us (or benefitted us) a first/second round value that we could have used somewhere else like - maybe a Christian McCaffrey Trade.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by elguapo:
If that's the case and he eventually becomes starter material, do we kick out Burford to RT to replace McKivitz

I honestly don't know why this idea isn't getting more traction. Are they worried they are going to screw up Burford? He has the size - long enough arms and I believe he played OT - well at that. Some reps at the OT position would be nice. 5 best OLman right? At this point given how thin the entire league is at OL I really worry about sticking him on the practice squad.

I'm waiting to see how McKivitz plays today before I start saying replace him, we haven't seen him in live action at RT with this line, he played well at LT when given chances/needed, so I have hopes, not high hopes, but hope that he can play well.

Yes. Although I do love to see some depth on the OL particularly tackle.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Those feet are sexy. More of a dancing bear than The Dancing Bear.

Not saying that nicknames can't be rebranded, but IIRC Kentawn Balmer held that particular nickname on this site.

Exciting UDFA, Manning.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
If this guy can develop to be a stud center, that would be amazing. Brendel is in his 30s and a solid player, but nothing special. I'd also like to see him at guard, he has that nasty streak.

i think worst case he can be like brunskill was for us, a solid depth player who had versatility.

id like to see him developed as a C over the next season or two (depending on how brindel plays), then we draft a tackle next year in the first round or so to groom for a year or two to replace Trent eventually (or potentially replace mckivitz if he is struggling).

then we can use guys like Brendel & Mckivitz as quality depth and have a much more sound top 8 o lineman.

Personally, any time a guy like Brendel or a guy like Manning can make the 53 - that to me is the equivalent of (at worst) a fourth round pick. Rounds 1 to 4 are starter quality picks, while rounds 5 to 7 are backup quality picks in general. Now Brendel made the 2nd team all pro, to me Brendel is verging on a first round value pick - in essence, and saved us (or benefitted us) a first/second round value that we could have used somewhere else like - maybe a Christian McCaffrey Trade.

When did he do that and how did I miss it?