Trade Candidates @ Aug. 29 Roster Deadline

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

It's only $940K, $2.82M of that number was paid to him for reporting to camp, part of his rookie contract.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Javon Kinlaw should definitely be on this list.

Agree with Ty Davis-Price, but that would be another fail by Shanahan.

I don't think Zane Gonzales gets traded, not when there's better kickers on the market right now.

Austin Bryant may be a trade candidate. But ultimately I'm pretty sure he gets cut.

I don't think they deal Kinlaw, though I'm all for it, if it means we can keep McGill, and Davis who I think will surprise people.

I doubt TDP has any value right now, and he won't be cut IMO, we need backs badly every year.

Agreed with Zane, unless it's a conditional 7th.

I disagree with Bryant, he's making the team IMO, also has $550K GTD.

Kinlaw wouldn't have any trade value.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

It's only $940K, $2.82M of that number was paid to him for reporting to camp, part of his rookie contract.

Maybe break it down, in the context of Dieter, if you could please. He's writing for Mercury news, and did so a few days ago. He gave $9m (roughly). So are you saying his facts are wrong, in the Mercury news piece? Or are you saying, on the roughly $9m he puts forward, that near all of that will be 2024 cap savings?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

It's only $940K, $2.82M of that number was paid to him for reporting to camp, part of his rookie contract.

Maybe break it down, in the context of Dieter, if you could please. He's writing for Mercury news, and did so a few days ago. He gave $9m (roughly). So are you saying his facts are wrong, in the Mercury news piece? Or are you saying, on the roughly $9m he puts forward, that near all of that will be 2024 cap savings?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

It's only $940K, $2.82M of that number was paid to him for reporting to camp, part of his rookie contract.

Maybe break it down, in the context of Dieter, if you could please. He's writing for Mercury news, and did so a few days ago. He gave $9m (roughly). So are you saying his facts are wrong, in the Mercury news piece? Or are you saying, on the roughly $9m he puts forward, that near all of that will be 2024 cap savings?

I didn't see the article, but $2,820,478 was paid to Trey already, so that would be dead money. I don't really know who Dieter is TBH. Do you have a link to the article?

Originally posted by father49er:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/
$22m signing bonus, all paid upfront. signing bonus cap hit pro-rates over the life of the contract. for 2023, 1.06m base salary, 4.4m roster bonus. i think only the 1.06m base salary isn't guaranteed. So, 9.8m cap hit even if you cut him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by father49er:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/
$22m signing bonus, all paid upfront. signing bonus cap hit pro-rates over the life of the contract. for 2023, 1.06m base salary, 4.4m roster bonus. i think only the 1.06m base salary isn't guaranteed. So, 9.8m cap hit even if you cut him.

Not talking about cutting , talking about trading.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
One missing from the list: Trey Lance

let's see if the Vikings can be duped into coughing up a 3rd for him

Not enough value now and it would hurt us financially. Just a bad idea this year.

Why do you say it would hurt us financially? let's get it correct, even if you don't agree with the trade.

We would save millions this season, and next. Check the OTC.

If I go to OTC and designate TL a post June 1 trade, I get this in cap savings: $3,760,478

Check the Dieter article also for Mercury news, he says roughly $9m in savings (he's counting this year savings and next)

It's only $940K, $2.82M of that number was paid to him for reporting to camp, part of his rookie contract.

Maybe break it down, in the context of Dieter, if you could please. He's writing for Mercury news, and did so a few days ago. He gave $9m (roughly). So are you saying his facts are wrong, in the Mercury news piece? Or are you saying, on the roughly $9m he puts forward, that near all of that will be 2024 cap savings?

I didn't see the article, but $2,820,478 was paid to Trey already, so that would be dead money. I don't really know who Dieter is TBH. Do you have a link to the article?

He says $9m in cap savings over the next 2 seasons, article link is below

OTC is saying the same

OTC has dead cap of $5.5m
cap savings of $3.76m
in 2023

rostered he hits our cap $9.3m, but trade he only hits $5.5m (dead cap), and you save even more in 2024.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/08/13/kurtenbach-the-49ers-should-trade-trey-lance-its-best-for-the-player-and-the-team/

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by father49er:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/
$22m signing bonus, all paid upfront. signing bonus cap hit pro-rates over the life of the contract. for 2023, 1.06m base salary, 4.4m roster bonus. i think only the 1.06m base salary isn't guaranteed. So, 9.8m cap hit even if you cut him.

Not talking about cutting , talking about trading.

Anything's possible on a trade, including having the suitor eat some of the signing bonus. Highly unlikely at this point.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by father49er:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/
$22m signing bonus, all paid upfront. signing bonus cap hit pro-rates over the life of the contract. for 2023, 1.06m base salary, 4.4m roster bonus. i think only the 1.06m base salary isn't guaranteed. So, 9.8m cap hit even if you cut him.

Not talking about cutting , talking about trading.

Anything's possible on a trade, including having the suitor eat some of the signing bonus. Highly unlikely at this point.

Teams can't eat signing bonuses or part of it, it's already been paid to the player, thus the team trading or cutting him takes it on as dead money.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by father49er:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/trey-lance-72382/
$22m signing bonus, all paid upfront. signing bonus cap hit pro-rates over the life of the contract. for 2023, 1.06m base salary, 4.4m roster bonus. i think only the 1.06m base salary isn't guaranteed. So, 9.8m cap hit even if you cut him.

Not talking about cutting , talking about trading.

Anything's possible on a trade, including having the suitor eat some of the signing bonus. Highly unlikely at this point.

Teams can't eat signing bonuses or part of it, it's already been paid to the player, thus the team trading or cutting him takes it on as dead money.

Right, can't reduce the cap numbers of the team trading the player away. I recall teams sometimes get cash compensation as part of a trade.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again he was paid $2.82M of that already, OTC hasn't updated it, but it was fully GTD, it was a roster bonus for reporting to camp, all top 5-10 picks get that in yrs 2-4, Trey has one next year too, trading him now saves just $940K for 2023, and $6.595M in 2024.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Again he was paid $2.82M of that already, OTC hasn't updated it, but it was fully GTD, it was a roster bonus for reporting to camp, all top 5-10 picks get that in yrs 2-4, Trey has one next year too, trading him now saves just $940K for 2023, and $6.595M in 2024.

You should be writing for Mercury News, so they can get the right facts