Anyone else ashamed of this front office?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
That's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this forum. And I've read plenty of SanDiego, Goatie, river, and 9moon posts. So that says a lot lol

Yup. They paid a qb franchise money, they just missed on him actually being a franchise guy. Now they have missed on a pick being a franchise guy.

when are we getting nick bosa? and can we still get robbie gould?

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Nothing new though, besides bosa this front office has sucked at drafting in the first round

DeeBo and Aiuke have turned into top players

Originally posted by picklejuice:
when are we getting nick bosa? and can we still get robbie gould?

We can, according to K..let's petition lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Totally agree. Overall they made some pretty good trades since this regime has been here and this trade with Miami that netted Lance didn't even set them back. Who knows, this 4th round pick that they got may turn into a great player.

What? Of course losing 3 first's and a 3rd set them back. Imagine how much better the team could have been if we had used those picks to make other areas better. Just because we are still a very good team in no way means that losing all that draft capital didn't set us back. We could have taken three first round shots at another DE, a CB, and an OL.

You said it yourself, "Just because we are still a very good team".

Case closed. No set back found. What's the problem??

What's the problem? The problem is that we wasted significant draft picks on a project that we could have used to make the team "even better than it is now". Not sure why you can't see that. Do you really think the team could not have improved with all that of those picks? We are a very good team. We could have been an even better team if we didn't waste these picks. Case closed.

Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Sure the 49ers could've added good players with the picks that were spent on Trey Lance, and it would've made the team better no doubt about it. But by not getting those players did it hurt the 9ers chances of making the playoffs three outta the last four years?? I mean after all this, they still ended up finding a QB1, so again where's the set back??

>>>Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Actually, I do. The problem is that you can't see that there was one. You blindly think that because we are still a good team, that this wasted attempt didn't have a negative impact. Let's be clear, the definition of a set-back is "a reversal or check in progress". I believe we had a check in progress in not getting to use those picks to make the team better. We remained a good team, but it likely cost us the chance to progress into a SB championship team. I'm not arguing that we are not still a good team, we are. I think perhaps it is you who does not understand what a set-back is.

>>>so again where's the set back??

Well, I thought it would be obvious, but the set-back is that we didn't win a SB and our chances would have been higher winning one if we had used those 3 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick. But yeah, if you are actually content being a good team ( which we are ) and winning some playoff games ( which we have ) but falling short of the ultimate goal, then sure, it's no big deal wasting all those picks and no set-back in your opinion.

They have hit on many players in the 5-7 round range, which is phenomenal and is not the norm for many teams in this league. It's just the high round picks that they have missed at an alarmingly high rate. That along with the blowing the high picks on the Lance experiment and all of the conflicting statements surrounding that, has me uneasy about this regime now.

What's done is done now. Only one way to shut this all up is to go out and win games. That is all we as fans can really hope for at this point.

Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

I'm not sure why the front office is to blame. If anything, they're doing a great job building a competitive roster.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

The timing is key. They named him the starter going into last offseason. By the time training camp and preseason were nearing completion they hedged the decision. It was based on what they saw through the offseason program. Still spent that entire time building the offense around him and gave him the opportunity. He didn't look good and then he got hurt.

They weren't going to do anything like that again, plus Purdy emerged. With an uncertain timeline on Purdy's return, and ability when he returned, they brought in another guy they felt comfortable with to be QB2 and short term QB1 if Purdy wasn't healthy. Gave Trey an opportunity to compete with that guy and he lost.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Totally agree. Overall they made some pretty good trades since this regime has been here and this trade with Miami that netted Lance didn't even set them back. Who knows, this 4th round pick that they got may turn into a great player.

What? Of course losing 3 first's and a 3rd set them back. Imagine how much better the team could have been if we had used those picks to make other areas better. Just because we are still a very good team in no way means that losing all that draft capital didn't set us back. We could have taken three first round shots at another DE, a CB, and an OL.

You said it yourself, "Just because we are still a very good team".

Case closed. No set back found. What's the problem??

What's the problem? The problem is that we wasted significant draft picks on a project that we could have used to make the team "even better than it is now". Not sure why you can't see that. Do you really think the team could not have improved with all that of those picks? We are a very good team. We could have been an even better team if we didn't waste these picks. Case closed.

Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Sure the 49ers could've added good players with the picks that were spent on Trey Lance, and it would've made the team better no doubt about it. But by not getting those players did it hurt the 9ers chances of making the playoffs three outta the last four years?? I mean after all this, they still ended up finding a QB1, so again where's the set back??

>>>Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Actually, I do. The problem is that you can't see that there was one. You blindly think that because we are still a good team, that this wasted attempt didn't have a negative impact. Let's be clear, the definition of a set-back is "a reversal or check in progress". I believe we had a check in progress in not getting to use those picks to make the team better. We remained a good team, but it likely cost us the chance to progress into a SB championship team. I'm not arguing that we are not still a good team, we are. I think perhaps it is you who does not understand what a set-back is.

>>>so again where's the set back??

Well, I thought it would be obvious, but the set-back is that we didn't win a SB and our chances would have been higher winning one if we had used those 3 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick. But yeah, if you are actually content being a good team ( which we are ) and winning some playoff games ( which we have ) but falling short of the ultimate goal, then sure, it's no big deal wasting all those picks and no set-back in your opinion.

Again, just because we missed on adding more players does not mean the 9ers suffered a set back. Here let me show you what a set back is.....

Kyler Murray, injured in the last quarter of the season. Arizona has no clear cut answer of when he's expected back and they don't have a serviceable back up. Now Arizona has to scramble to keep their playoff hopes alive while Murray recovers. Set back!!!!

49ers, Trey Lance goes down with a season ending injury, fast forward to Purdy, Purdy wins two playoff games. Set back?? or still Super Bowl contender??

Jake Moody, struggling to make a high percentage kick time and time again in games, gets injured. Punter now kicking FG's, set back??

I'm building a sand castle on the beach, in comes water washing away half my castle, two towers. Now I have to rebuild two towers, set back??

I'm building a sand castle, sally comes and gives me sea shells for my castle. In comes the water and washes away my sea shells she just added, but my castle is still standing. set back, I still got one bad ass looking castle.

You follow!!!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

The timing is key. They named him the starter going into last offseason. By the time training camp and preseason were nearing completion they hedged the decision. It was based on what they saw through the offseason program. Still spent that entire time building the offense around him and gave him the opportunity. He didn't look good and then he got hurt.

They weren't going to do anything like that again, plus Purdy emerged. With an uncertain timeline on Purdy's return, and ability when he returned, they brought in another guy they felt comfortable with to be QB2 and short term QB1 if Purdy wasn't healthy. Gave Trey an opportunity to compete with that guy and he lost.

I understand all that. What I don't understand is how he went from #1 to #3 and out after supposedly showing a lot of improvement. I know Purdy is the starter without question but to give up so easily on someone you drafted so highly without ever giving him the needed reps he required is a joke.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I understand all that. What I don't understand is how he went from #1 to #3 and out after supposedly showing a lot of improvement. I know Purdy is the starter without question but to give up so easily on someone you drafted so highly without ever giving him the needed reps he required is a joke.

He improved mechanically. There was a hell of a lot more needed improvement outside of that. It is what it is. He needs significant playing time to grow and we couldn't afford to give it to him with the team primed to win. Results aren't guaranteed either.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

The timing is key. They named him the starter going into last offseason. By the time training camp and preseason were nearing completion they hedged the decision. It was based on what they saw through the offseason program. Still spent that entire time building the offense around him and gave him the opportunity. He didn't look good and then he got hurt.

They weren't going to do anything like that again, plus Purdy emerged. With an uncertain timeline on Purdy's return, and ability when he returned, they brought in another guy they felt comfortable with to be QB2 and short term QB1 if Purdy wasn't healthy. Gave Trey an opportunity to compete with that guy and he lost.

I understand all that. What I don't understand is how he went from #1 to #3 and out after supposedly showing a lot of improvement. I know Purdy is the starter without question but to give up so easily on someone you drafted so highly without ever giving him the needed reps he required is a joke.

He kept getting injured. You say, "I understand all that", then it seems as though you don't factor it in.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

The timing is key. They named him the starter going into last offseason. By the time training camp and preseason were nearing completion they hedged the decision. It was based on what they saw through the offseason program. Still spent that entire time building the offense around him and gave him the opportunity. He didn't look good and then he got hurt.

They weren't going to do anything like that again, plus Purdy emerged. With an uncertain timeline on Purdy's return, and ability when he returned, they brought in another guy they felt comfortable with to be QB2 and short term QB1 if Purdy wasn't healthy. Gave Trey an opportunity to compete with that guy and he lost.

I understand all that. What I don't understand is how he went from #1 to #3 and out after supposedly showing a lot of improvement. I know Purdy is the starter without question but to give up so easily on someone you drafted so highly without ever giving him the needed reps he required is a joke.

He can be both improved, and the 3rd option. They aren't exclusionary. Purdy is the clear starter and felt like a push between Lance and Darnold, but they like Darnold more. Trey did not do enough to separate himself from either of them, so boom traded.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Here's something that doesn't make sense. Last season. Kyle felt good enough about Trey that he named him the starter. This year after apparently showing a lot of improvement ( Kyle's words, not mine) he gets dropped to 3rd on the depth chart. If he was good enough to start in 2022 and improved in the off season, how did he drop to 3rd string and then get traded?

I heard that Trey had fewer game appearances (8) than any top 10 pick in NFL history. I'm not sure if that's just top 10 QBs or all top 10 picks. He got 4 brief appearances in his rookie season but didn't pass a lot. He had a broken finger in pre season so that may have been one reason. He got 2 starts that year and then 2 last year. One lasted less than one quarter before he broke his ankle. Not a lot of reps.

If that's what they think is giving an inexperienced QB time to develop, I hope they never have to develop another one. They completely botched this one. On the other hand I understand why they traded him. If Trey was unhappy then it's best to move him. They don't need a distraction on this team.

One assumption is that Lance started last year for no other reason than we invested a lot in him and it was his time to develop. I believe the depth chart was actually inverted because the 9ers got better after each QB injury culminating in Purdy.

Purdy then does what he does last year and obviously at that point Lances time is over. In hindsight Lance was given the starting spot he wasn't the best QB.