Anyone else ashamed of this front office?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Totally agree. Overall they made some pretty good trades since this regime has been here and this trade with Miami that netted Lance didn't even set them back. Who knows, this 4th round pick that they got may turn into a great player.

What? Of course losing 3 first's and a 3rd set them back. Imagine how much better the team could have been if we had used those picks to make other areas better. Just because we are still a very good team in no way means that losing all that draft capital didn't set us back. We could have taken three first round shots at another DE, a CB, and an OL.

You said it yourself, "Just because we are still a very good team".

Case closed. No set back found. What's the problem??

What's the problem? The problem is that we wasted significant draft picks on a project that we could have used to make the team "even better than it is now". Not sure why you can't see that. Do you really think the team could not have improved with all that of those picks? We are a very good team. We could have been an even better team if we didn't waste these picks. Case closed.

Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Sure the 49ers could've added good players with the picks that were spent on Trey Lance, and it would've made the team better no doubt about it. But by not getting those players did it hurt the 9ers chances of making the playoffs three outta the last four years?? I mean after all this, they still ended up finding a QB1, so again where's the set back??

>>>Problem is, you don't know what a set back is!!!

Actually, I do. The problem is that you can't see that there was one. You blindly think that because we are still a good team, that this wasted attempt didn't have a negative impact. Let's be clear, the definition of a set-back is "a reversal or check in progress". I believe we had a check in progress in not getting to use those picks to make the team better. We remained a good team, but it likely cost us the chance to progress into a SB championship team. I'm not arguing that we are not still a good team, we are. I think perhaps it is you who does not understand what a set-back is.

>>>so again where's the set back??

Well, I thought it would be obvious, but the set-back is that we didn't win a SB and our chances would have been higher winning one if we had used those 3 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick. But yeah, if you are actually content being a good team ( which we are ) and winning some playoff games ( which we have ) but falling short of the ultimate goal, then sure, it's no big deal wasting all those picks and no set-back in your opinion.

Again, just because we missed on adding more players does not mean the 9ers suffered a set back. Here let me show you what a set back is.....

Kyler Murray, injured in the last quarter of the season. Arizona has no clear cut answer of when he's expected back and they don't have a serviceable back up. Now Arizona has to scramble to keep their playoff hopes alive while Murray recovers. Set back!!!!

49ers, Trey Lance goes down with a season ending injury, fast forward to Purdy, Purdy wins two playoff games. Set back?? or still Super Bowl contender??

Jake Moody, struggling to make a high percentage kick time and time again in games, gets injured. Punter now kicking FG's, set back??

I'm building a sand castle on the beach, in comes water washing away half my castle, two towers. Now I have to rebuild two towers, set back??

I'm building a sand castle, sally comes and gives me sea shells for my castle. In comes the water and washes away my sea shells she just added, but my castle is still standing. set back, I still got one bad ass looking castle.

You follow!!!

I follow, but I don't agree. I'm a Finance guy so let me try stating this in a slightly different way. A start-up company meets with the bank, gets a loan after presenting the bank manager with a three year sales plan. Year 1, they sell $50,000, right on plan. Year 2 they sell $100,000, again right on plan. Year 3, something happens, and they again sell $100,000, but the business model was for $150,000 in year 3.

So in your opinion, you are saying there is no set-back because we still matched last years sales. ( still a good team ) In my opinion, I'm saying there was a set-back because we didn't execute to the projected sales. i.e. we had a check in progress. staying a good team is not the same as becoming an even better team which all those picks likely would have done.

I know nothing is guaranteed and I don't have a problem with taking a swing. I think they gave up way too fast, that's all, and that is what I find embarrassing from the front office.

P.S. "but my castle is still standing. set back, I still got one bad ass looking castle." LOLOL

I still hope the 49ers win is all this year!

Not ashamed of winning.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Nothing new though, besides bosa this front office has sucked at drafting in the first round

DeeBo and Aiuke have turned into top players

Aiyuk is good, not great. And Deebo was a 2nd rounder. I made a post a few pages back about the first 3 rounds, so I won't go into it all again. But out of the 9 1st round picks we've had/should have had, only Bosa and Aiyuk were hits. The average hit/miss rate for 1st rounders is about 50%, we aren't even close.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
I follow, but I don't agree. I'm a Finance guy so let me try stating this in a slightly different way. A start-up company meets with the bank, gets a loan after presenting the bank manager with a three year sales plan. Year 1, they sell $50,000, right on plan. Year 2 they sell $100,000, again right on plan. Year 3, something happens, and they again sell $100,000, but the business model was for $150,000 in year 3.

So in your opinion, you are saying there is no set-back because we still matched last years sales. ( still a good team ) In my opinion, I'm saying there was a set-back because we didn't execute to the projected sales. i.e. we had a check in progress. staying a good team is not the same as becoming an even better team which all those picks likely would have done.

I know nothing is guaranteed and I don't have a problem with taking a swing. I think they gave up way too fast, that's all, and that is what I find embarrassing from the front office.

P.S. "but my castle is still standing. set back, I still got one bad ass looking castle." LOLOL

I still hope the 49ers win is all this year!

There's your problem, drafts picks aren't guaranteed to improve your team. And again it brings me back to the point I'm trying to make, just because you don't improve something doesn't necessarily set it back. Failing to address needs can more than likely set you back. For instance, can the 9ers go into the season with Wishnowsky kicking FG's?? Yes or no?? Anything can you think will cost you games in the season that you fail to correct, can and will definitely set you back.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Nothing new though, besides bosa this front office has sucked at drafting in the first round

DeeBo and Aiuke have turned into top players

Aiyuk is good, not great. And Deebo was a 2nd rounder. I made a post a few pages back about the first 3 rounds, so I won't go into it all again. But out of the 9 1st round picks we've had/should have had, only Bosa and Aiyuk were hits. The average hit/miss rate for 1st rounders is about 50%, we aren't even close.

lol Aiyuk is more than just 'good'. Hes just not elite yet, but has the potential. You also seemed to forget all about MCGlinchey who will be a long term NFL starting tackle. Most likely netting us a 3rd round comp pick next draft.

Originally posted by RDB4216:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Nothing new though, besides bosa this front office has sucked at drafting in the first round

DeeBo and Aiuke have turned into top players

Aiyuk is good, not great. And Deebo was a 2nd rounder. I made a post a few pages back about the first 3 rounds, so I won't go into it all again. But out of the 9 1st round picks we've had/should have had, only Bosa and Aiyuk were hits. The average hit/miss rate for 1st rounders is about 50%, we aren't even close.

How is McGlinchey not a hit? He may be a slight disappointment vis a vis his draft position but he just signed elsewhere for a ton.

What's the average hit rate for finding all pros outside the first round?

Originally posted by walker807:
lol Aiyuk is more than just 'good'. Hes just not elite yet, but has the potential. You also seemed to forget all about MCGlinchey who will be a long term NFL starting tackle. Most likely netting us a 3rd round comp pick next draft.

Not most likely. Is getting us a 3.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by walker807:
lol Aiyuk is more than just 'good'. Hes just not elite yet, but has the potential. You also seemed to forget all about MCGlinchey who will be a long term NFL starting tackle. Most likely netting us a 3rd round comp pick next draft.

Not most likely. Is getting us a 3.

Working them comp picks like a boss. We have 2 years to get Wilks a HC job and keep the gravy train rolling. I bet the NFL changes the rule just because niners

Originally posted by walker807:
Working them comp picks like a boss. We have 2 years to get Wilks a HC job and keep the gravy train rolling. I bet the NFL changes the rule just because niners

5 comp picks coming this year alone.

Originally posted by Bangbang89:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You bought that line too, lol.

It's not the 1980s anymore my guy. Winning a SB is hard and we're in the mix every year. Took 3 years for ShanaLynch to turn a complete dumpster fire into arguably the most well rounded roster in the league… without an elite QB.

These guys are very good at what they do. And Kyle is an elite teacher.

It's not hard for the patriots to get 6 super bowls. It hasn't been hard for mahomes, the guy that Kyle passed up for foster and Thomas and cj beathard and not to mention hoyer. They have smart head coaches. Obviously Kyle isn't smart like you think he is, he may be a decent player caller but even Mcvay beat him to winning a Super Bowl quicker. So no, it's not hard if you're a real smart one. Kyle isn't. Not prioritizing the offense line to protect any qb is really just straight up DUMB.

Of course it was hard for them.

The first three SBs for the Pats came down to their FG kicker. Then they LOST two Super Bowls, the worst thing in the world to Niner fans. Then they won two SBs because the other team brain farted - once by not running Lynch, then by blowing a huge lead. Then they lost another one. Then they squeeked out the most boring SB in recent memory.

Mahomes may have won 2, but he should have won 5 already, which by this fanbase's definition is Loserville. Blew it in 2018 because of his defense, lost the SB to an old man in 2020, and blew the AFC CG the next year. He had to have historic comebacks in 2019 playoffs to win it (smallest of those comebacks was in the SB), and last year was no cake walk for him, either.

Originally posted by walker807:
lol Aiyuk is more than just 'good'. Hes just not elite yet, but has the potential. You also seemed to forget all about MCGlinchey who will be a long term NFL starting tackle. Most likely netting us a 3rd round comp pick next draft.

I think this year Aiyuk is going to make it hard for Shanny and Lynch to decide what to do about signing him long term. I think Aiyuk is going to be elite this season. I think for the first time in a long time the 49ers are going to have two top WRs.

Originally posted by captveg:
Of course it was hard for them.

The first three SBs for the Pats came down to their FG kicker. Then they LOST two Super Bowls, the worst thing in the world to Niner fans. Then they won two SBs because the other team brain farted - once by not running Lynch, then by blowing a huge lead. Then they lost another one. Then they squeeked out the most boring SB in recent memory.

Mahomes may have won 2, but he should have won 5 already, which by this fanbase's definition is Loserville. Blew it in 2018 because of his defense, lost the SB to an old man in 2020, and blew the AFC CG the next year. He had to have historic comebacks in 2019 playoffs to win it (smallest of those comebacks was in the SB), and last year was no cake walk for him, either.

Also could have zero. He had no business beating us and scaped by the Eagles. You can do it with every franchise because 90 percent of games are decided by under 7.

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
I've been a 9er fan since 1988.. I've never seen a debacle quite like this. I think the waisted trade for Lance might have cost us a Superbowl. Will anyone be held accountable for this disaster?

Get over it sweetheart. Look up Tom Cousineau

For real... Couple thoughts though... And I've been a fan since '80... First, as many of here have mentioned, We took a big swing, and missed.... Thankfully our other - regular - swings produced and we are still a top 5 team.... Secondly, (and I'm looking right at you jays9ers) Holding management accountable only works by putting out a lousy product year in and year out and the fans stop going to games altogether. It took me too many years to realize that WE AS FANS HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON HOW TEAMS RUN THEIR BUSINESS. ZERO - ZILCH - NADA. In the worst years, I don't watch as many games because wow does it break my heart to watch them... Looking at you Jim Tom Tomsulo, Chip Kelly, Mike Nolan, Mike f*cking Singletary.... But ultimately and with all honestly, nothing you do as a fan impacts your team .. so you speak to accountability... To whom? You? GTFOH you can go root for another team.... Please .. and thank you. Bad teams year in and year out get fewer nationally televised games and don't see that playoff revenue, they don't sell as many jerseys maybe? Their accountability is the bottom line... Not sure whiny ass fan crying over some s**t that, ultimately (and clap along with me everyone) HAS (clap) NOTHING (clap) TO (clap) DO (clap) WITH (clap) YOU (clap clap clappity clap)

And this is for ALL YOU dumb ass haters thinking you are in any way better than - our could do better than - KS and JL...

I'm ashamed we took Lance in the first place. Outside of that, not really.

i don't mind us taking a big swing for the most important position in sports, just disagree with their assessment. Always have, but what's done is done, we are in a great spot.

im not one of those guys who believes this was "mismanaged", that to me says that we handled Lance wrong and I don't believe that. We tried to integrate him year one a little bit, he got hurt. We handed him the franchise in year two, he got hurt.

while he was injured, a young guy went and did everything we wanted Lance to and more, helping us with the cap along the way. Lance was too far behind to catch up.

it's unfortunate but I don't think this situation is because of lack of effort, they tried, and missed. I'm proud that they were willing to accept defeat and move on, instead of the sunken Cost fallacy and just cut their losses.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by walker807:
Working them comp picks like a boss. We have 2 years to get Wilks a HC job and keep the gravy train rolling. I bet the NFL changes the rule just because niners

5 comp picks coming this year alone.

We will have 12 picks in the next draft. Wild.

we can actually trade for players and/or move around the draft at will to get who we want. That many picks gives us a ton of flexibility. Plus, we usually crush the mid-late round selections.