Anyone else ashamed of this front office?

i think if us fans stop obsessing over picks and prospects - we would enjoy football a lot more.

if you do want to care about draft picks then also be smart enough to know that 1 in 5 picks might pan out, that's true for all teams. If a player gets hurt or lazy, some one better will show up to take their place.

seems like the facts are as follows:
1)Kyle loved Trey and drafted him
2)Kyle wanted to get Trey time on field in 2021 but Trey's finger injury derailed that
3)Kyle made Trey starter in 2022 but stupidly ran him too much and maybe partly to blame for getting Trey's ankle busted
4)Brock emerged as clear starter
5)Once Brock emerged, Trey would have to show in training camp 2023 he was ready but failed to do so and became #3
6)Trey asked to be traded and Kyle made it happen

so i don't see where in above there is any sort of shame here. bad circumstances from injury for Trey and then Brock was just undeniably #1. some things could have been done better, but this is not a mike nolan situation by any means.

so OP i get you're upset but Kyle did what any reasonable head coach would do in giving Trey best chance to play/develop. We just aren't in a position to sit him for Jordan Love number of years.

Edit: The investment failed but through no action of Kyle's (Griese & Slowick scouted Brock), we seem to have a QB of future. So we may have fallen ass backwards into a QB but all that matters is that we did somehow/someway.

Now its just time to go get #6.

Originally posted by ninersush:
seems like the facts are as follows:
1)Kyle loved Trey and drafted him
2)Kyle wanted to get Trey time on field in 2021 but Trey's finger injury derailed that
3)Kyle made Trey starter in 2022 but stupidly ran him too much and maybe partly to blame for getting Trey's ankle busted
4)Brock emerged as clear starter
5)Once Brock emerged, Trey would have to show in training camp 2023 he was ready but failed to do so and became #3
6)Trey asked to be traded and Kyle made it happen

so i don't see where in above there is any sort of shame here. bad circumstances from injury for Trey and then Brock was just undeniably #1. some things could have been done better, but this is not a mike nolan situation by any means.

so OP i get you're upset but Kyle did what any reasonable head coach would do in giving Trey best chance to play/develop. We just aren't in a position to sit him for Jordan Love number of years.

Edit: The investment failed but through no action of Kyle's (Griese & Slowick scouted Brock), we seem to have a QB of future. So we may have fallen ass backwards into a QB but all that matters is that we did somehow/someway.

Now its just time to go get #6.

You summed it well. The only correction I'd make is to remove "stupidly" from #3. Think about how Lance looked in this preseason's games throwing the ball, not good. How do you think him throwing the ball may have looked at the start of 2022 had he been healthy to play beyond two games? He needed an offense that used his legs to make up for his shortcomings throwing the ball.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ninersush:
seems like the facts are as follows:
1)Kyle loved Trey and drafted him
2)Kyle wanted to get Trey time on field in 2021 but Trey's finger injury derailed that
3)Kyle made Trey starter in 2022 but stupidly ran him too much and maybe partly to blame for getting Trey's ankle busted
4)Brock emerged as clear starter
5)Once Brock emerged, Trey would have to show in training camp 2023 he was ready but failed to do so and became #3
6)Trey asked to be traded and Kyle made it happen

so i don't see where in above there is any sort of shame here. bad circumstances from injury for Trey and then Brock was just undeniably #1. some things could have been done better, but this is not a mike nolan situation by any means.

so OP i get you're upset but Kyle did what any reasonable head coach would do in giving Trey best chance to play/develop. We just aren't in a position to sit him for Jordan Love number of years.

Edit: The investment failed but through no action of Kyle's (Griese & Slowick scouted Brock), we seem to have a QB of future. So we may have fallen ass backwards into a QB but all that matters is that we did somehow/someway.

Now its just time to go get #6.

You summed it well. The only correction I'd make is to remove "stupidly" from #3. Think about how Lance looked in this preseason's games throwing the ball, not good. How do you think him throwing the ball may have looked at the start of 2022 had he been healthy to play beyond two games? He needed an offense that used his legs to make up for his shortcomings throwing the ball.

The first game i don't remember seeing as many runs by Trey (maybe we win if tret runs more that game).. only in the 2nd game i can remember Trey keeping it more when he should have let the RB run it

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ninersush:
seems like the facts are as follows:
1)Kyle loved Trey and drafted him
2)Kyle wanted to get Trey time on field in 2021 but Trey's finger injury derailed that
3)Kyle made Trey starter in 2022 but stupidly ran him too much and maybe partly to blame for getting Trey's ankle busted
4)Brock emerged as clear starter
5)Once Brock emerged, Trey would have to show in training camp 2023 he was ready but failed to do so and became #3
6)Trey asked to be traded and Kyle made it happen

so i don't see where in above there is any sort of shame here. bad circumstances from injury for Trey and then Brock was just undeniably #1. some things could have been done better, but this is not a mike nolan situation by any means.

so OP i get you're upset but Kyle did what any reasonable head coach would do in giving Trey best chance to play/develop. We just aren't in a position to sit him for Jordan Love number of years.

Edit: The investment failed but through no action of Kyle's (Griese & Slowick scouted Brock), we seem to have a QB of future. So we may have fallen ass backwards into a QB but all that matters is that we did somehow/someway.

Now its just time to go get #6.

You summed it well. The only correction I'd make is to remove "stupidly" from #3. Think about how Lance looked in this preseason's games throwing the ball, not good. How do you think him throwing the ball may have looked at the start of 2022 had he been healthy to play beyond two games? He needed an offense that used his legs to make up for his shortcomings throwing the ball.

actually come to think of it, i think in 2022 Trey was still not fully healed from the broken finger from 2021. so maybe the running wasn't as stupid in that context. i just thought he was run too much in both games of 2022. its more just anger that we lost him for that season and weren't ever able to see if he was good or bad.

that's the biggest disapointment i guess, while the early/limited returns on trey don't look favorable, a 4 game sample size is not enough to make any judgement. and there is no way you can't move on to purdy. in fact if kyle DIDN'T move on to purdy and stuck with Trey, that would be a fireable/shameful offence.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I see some saying ths was the worst trade in 49er history. Some even say in NFL history'

The Niners trade a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th for a shot O J Simpson. This was a worse trade for 2 reasons. ne everyone knew OJ was shot. His knees were gone. With Trey they were taking a chance and gambling on an unknown. If he had stayed healthy and become the palyer they expected then it wouldn't be considered a bad trade.

The other difference is the draft positions. When the Niners trade for OJ they were terrible and drafting early in the rounds. The picks they traded for Lance were late round picks. That makes a difference since even first round picks drop off after the first 12 or 15 players.

it's not actually the TRADE itself, it's the fact that Shanny's decision making is absurd.. Just a year ago, he gave Lance the key to Camelot and the guy did not even earn it.. then this year, his decision is basically based on the 7 games that B-Rock won for the team....

Trey should have been kept as a 2nd stringer because there is no guarantee (just yet) that B-Rock is the real thing.. Shanny can not possibly say that Trey would not be a 2nd stringer because he did not beat out Darnold because he also did not beat out Grappy when he became the starter last year..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I see some saying ths was the worst trade in 49er history. Some even say in NFL history'

The Niners trade a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th for a shot O J Simpson. This was a worse trade for 2 reasons. ne everyone knew OJ was shot. His knees were gone. With Trey they were taking a chance and gambling on an unknown. If he had stayed healthy and become the palyer they expected then it wouldn't be considered a bad trade.

The other difference is the draft positions. When the Niners trade for OJ they were terrible and drafting early in the rounds. The picks they traded for Lance were late round picks. That makes a difference since even first round picks drop off after the first 12 or 15 players.

it's not actually the TRADE itself, it's the fact that Shanny's decision making is absurd.. Just a year ago, he gave Lance the key to Camelot and the guy did not even earn it.. then this year, his decision is basically based on the 7 games that B-Rock won for the team....

Trey should have been kept as a 2nd stringer because there is no guarantee (just yet) that B-Rock is the real thing.. Shanny can not possibly say that Trey would not be a 2nd stringer because he did not beat out Darnold because he also did not beat out Grappy when he became the starter last year..

is Trey better than Brock ?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ninersush:
seems like the facts are as follows:
1)Kyle loved Trey and drafted him
2)Kyle wanted to get Trey time on field in 2021 but Trey's finger injury derailed that
3)Kyle made Trey starter in 2022 but stupidly ran him too much and maybe partly to blame for getting Trey's ankle busted
4)Brock emerged as clear starter
5)Once Brock emerged, Trey would have to show in training camp 2023 he was ready but failed to do so and became #3
6)Trey asked to be traded and Kyle made it happen

so i don't see where in above there is any sort of shame here. bad circumstances from injury for Trey and then Brock was just undeniably #1. some things could have been done better, but this is not a mike nolan situation by any means.

so OP i get you're upset but Kyle did what any reasonable head coach would do in giving Trey best chance to play/develop. We just aren't in a position to sit him for Jordan Love number of years.

Edit: The investment failed but through no action of Kyle's (Griese & Slowick scouted Brock), we seem to have a QB of future. So we may have fallen ass backwards into a QB but all that matters is that we did somehow/someway.

Now its just time to go get #6.

You summed it well. The only correction I'd make is to remove "stupidly" from #3. Think about how Lance looked in this preseason's games throwing the ball, not good. How do you think him throwing the ball may have looked at the start of 2022 had he been healthy to play beyond two games? He needed an offense that used his legs to make up for his shortcomings throwing the ball.

I agree with both of you.

As long as Bosa is starting week 1 with a new Contract, I have no problems with the front office.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I see some saying ths was the worst trade in 49er history. Some even say in NFL history'

The Niners trade a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th for a shot O J Simpson. This was a worse trade for 2 reasons. ne everyone knew OJ was shot. His knees were gone. With Trey they were taking a chance and gambling on an unknown. If he had stayed healthy and become the palyer they expected then it wouldn't be considered a bad trade.

The other difference is the draft positions. When the Niners trade for OJ they were terrible and drafting early in the rounds. The picks they traded for Lance were late round picks. That makes a difference since even first round picks drop off after the first 12 or 15 players.

it's not actually the TRADE itself, it's the fact that Shanny's decision making is absurd.. Just a year ago, he gave Lance the key to Camelot and the guy did not even earn it.. then this year, his decision is basically based on the 7 games that B-Rock won for the team....

Trey should have been kept as a 2nd stringer because there is no guarantee (just yet) that B-Rock is the real thing.. Shanny can not possibly say that Trey would not be a 2nd stringer because he did not beat out Darnold because he also did not beat out Grappy when he became the starter last year..

If one thing I fault Kyle for, in the past, is being unable to determine a players durability. Now having said that, durability is in and of itself hard to determine on film. You have to do your in depth analysis. Trey's durability was as bad or worse than Jimmy's, and that's why they got rid of Jimmy in the first place and took Trey - durability. I think they have, to a certain extent, they have done a better job with getting durable players, but it's still a work in progress. Purdy's arm injury - but for the fact it's an injury only two-ish players in the NFL have ever had - historically, makes me a bit nervous as to Brock's durability. Just hoping he stays pretty healthy for this season and beyond.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
As long as Bosa is starting week 1 with a new Contract, I have no problems with the front office.

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I see some saying ths was the worst trade in 49er history. Some even say in NFL history'

The Niners trade a 1st, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th for a shot O J Simpson. This was a worse trade for 2 reasons. ne everyone knew OJ was shot. His knees were gone. With Trey they were taking a chance and gambling on an unknown. If he had stayed healthy and become the palyer they expected then it wouldn't be considered a bad trade.

The other difference is the draft positions. When the Niners trade for OJ they were terrible and drafting early in the rounds. The picks they traded for Lance were late round picks. That makes a difference since even first round picks drop off after the first 12 or 15 players.

it's not actually the TRADE itself, it's the fact that Shanny's decision making is absurd.. Just a year ago, he gave Lance the key to Camelot and the guy did not even earn it.. then this year, his decision is basically based on the 7 games that B-Rock won for the team....

Trey should have been kept as a 2nd stringer because there is no guarantee (just yet) that B-Rock is the real thing.. Shanny can not possibly say that Trey would not be a 2nd stringer because he did not beat out Darnold because he also did not beat out Grappy when he became the starter last year..

is Trey better than Brock ?

B-Rock won more games last year than Trey because Trey got injured... so if u want to base it from last year, everyone will say B-Rock is the better QB..

but 7 games is not enough (IMO) to say he's better because Trey only got to play 4 games in total..

DID YOU THINK DAN MARINO WAS BETTER THAN JOE MONTANA AFTER THE 84 SEASON ??

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i'm ashamed at this thread

Shanahan is just a retread of his old man, and is similar to the Dick Nolan/ Mike family 49er loyalty. Yeah, Kyles his own man, but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Examine Mike S's legacy. Failed Raider coach, mediocre QB coach in Denver, was fortunate to piggyback the SB XXIX 49ers, proceeded to move to Denver. Admittedly, he won back to back SBs with Denver, but that two-three year window was the product of all the other teams running out of gas. 49ers were changing with Mooch, Young was injured, roster getting long in the tooth. Add to that the Cowboys on their last legs, the Bills falling apart, and the Steelers taking a few steps back, and you have an immense power vacuum in the NFL. I might add too that Green Bay who was the previous SB champion believed their hype and wouldn't return for over another decade. The Broncos needed a dearth of super teams like the previous three decades enjoyed, and they also needed T. Davis, Schlereth, Romanowski, and Sharp. What did Shanahan do after that gang broke up?He signed Jake Plummer, and proceeded to miss the playoffs and eventually get fired. Likewise with the Washingtonians. Kyles not much better; has moved around with the Texans, Commanders, Falcons, Browns, etc... Sorry, cant believe in the Shanahan philosophies, or Kyles' questionable decisions.

I'm happy to see, based on the results of this poll, the vast majority 3/4 of 49ers fans are still reasonable. GO NINERS!