Anyone else ashamed of this front office?

Originally posted by Hogan:
Shanahan is just a retread of his old man, and is similar to the Dick Nolan/ Mike family 49er loyalty. Yeah, Kyles his own man, but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Examine Mike S's legacy. Failed Raider coach, mediocre QB coach in Denver, was fortunate to piggyback the SB XXIX 49ers, proceeded to move to Denver. Admittedly, he won back to back SBs with Denver, but that two-three year window was the product of all the other teams running out of gas. 49ers were changing with Mooch, Young was injured, roster getting long in the tooth. Add to that the Cowboys on their last legs, the Bills falling apart, and the Steelers taking a few steps back, and you have an immense power vacuum in the NFL. I might add too that Green Bay who was the previous SB champion believed their hype and wouldn't return for over another decade. The Broncos needed a dearth of super teams like the previous three decades enjoyed, and they also needed T. Davis, Schlereth, Romanowski, and Sharp. What did Shanahan do after that gang broke up?He signed Jake Plummer, and proceeded to miss the playoffs and eventually get fired. Likewise with the Washingtonians. Kyles not much better; has moved around with the Texans, Commanders, Falcons, Browns, etc... Sorry, cant believe in the Shanahan philosophies, or Kyles' questionable decisions.

Welcome. You write well for your first post in the forum. I disagree with your premise but it was well-stated. I imagine we will hear more from you.

Our head coach is an offensive specialist. He whiffed harder than anyone ever has on a qb prospect. Trey was so bad he couldn't even operate Shannys scheme catered to ask very little outside of structure from qbs.
He was saved by Purdy who looked solid in running that offense. However, when teams figure tho gs out he will be adequate, if that as a qb.
Fortunately, we drafted Nick Bosa and Fred Warner so the defense is nails. The d is where we win our games. I do think we miss Ward this year tho

I am embarrassed that the move to draft Trey Lance has turned out to be so wrong. However, "ashamed" is a far different condition than embarrassment.

In order to be ashamed the team would still have to be mired in the mediocrity of the post-Harbaugh mess. It isn't, so I'm not ashamed.

Semantics.

I will say it was a series of unfortunate events for Trey and the 9ers but I'm really not sure how things could be different. Curious to hear!!

Year 1: I think we all agree Jimmy starts and Trey learns

Year 2: I think Trey is at best the #2 QB if not #3 QB on the roster. 9ers invested a lot in him so he gets the #1 spot. I don't believe for an instant that he was a better QB than Jimmy by the end of the camp.

I believe the thought process was he'll start off worse than Jimmy, goes through growing pains, and hopefully be the end of the year he eclipses. No Guarantees but with the investment that's what needs to happen.

The split in the space time continuum is Purdy comes in and does what he does and it changed the calculus completely. If not for Purdy I'm sure Kyle would have a Trey designed offense for this year and his fingers crossed.

Year 3: As long as Purdy recovers from injury he has to be the starter. You can't ask Trent Williams, Deebo, BA, CMC, Bosa, Hargrave, Warner and company to not play the best QB on the team. Their window is now. It's a pretty easy decision that Purdy gets the job.

The question becomes, do you have two offenses because Purdy and Trey play different games. IMO and I believe KS agrees QB1 and QB2 need to run the same offense. It was no surprise to me, as I said a month ago, that Sam wins the job. Trey just can't function as well in that type of offense. They tried to keep him as #3 (to develop) but he requested a trade and they obliged.

Ashamed? Embarrassed? I'm mortified. My peace of mind depends on what a bunch of talking heads on cable TV are saying about my team in the offseason. My self esteem is founded on whether a man with ridiculous hair thinks on Draft Day that we "reached" and "overpaid" and got a "bust". Who cares about wins when you can have draft "steals"? I can't sleep at night thinking of all those precious, precious Picks (they must be capitalised, being made of solid gold) that were lost forever. Oh, the Woe. Just think of all the superstars I could have picked with perfect hindsight, and disregarding the existence of that ogre called The Cap. I am also furious because the team's management were unjust, unfair, and probably unchristian as well, in not giving Lance 20 or 40 more starts regardless of what the team was trying to achieve on the field. They will never find out what he could do in another 3-4 seasons of seasoning. They will live in ignorance forever. Boo!

What else? Oh, yes. The tea leaves/tarot cards/spirits/ouija board tell me that Purdy WILL get injured, whereas Lance will never, ever get injured again. It's a done deal. It's happening.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I will say it was a series of unfortunate events for Trey and the 9ers but I'm really not sure how things could be different. Curious to hear!!

Year 1: I think we all agree Jimmy starts and Trey learns

Year 2: I think Trey is at best the #2 QB if not #3 QB on the roster. 9ers invested a lot in him so he gets the #1 spot. I don't believe for an instant that he was a better QB than Jimmy by the end of the camp.

I believe the thought process was he'll start off worse than Jimmy, goes through growing pains, and hopefully be the end of the year he eclipses. No Guarantees but with the investment that's what needs to happen.

The split in the space time continuum is Purdy comes in and does what he does and it changed the calculus completely. If not for Purdy I'm sure Kyle would have a Trey designed offense for this year and his fingers crossed.

Year 3: As long as Purdy recovers from injury he has to be the starter. You can't ask Trent Williams, Deebo, BA, CMC, Bosa, Hargrave, Warner and company to not play the best QB on the team. Their window is now. It's a pretty easy decision that Purdy gets the job.

The question becomes, do you have two offenses because Purdy and Trey play different games. IMO and I believe KS agrees QB1 and QB2 need to run the same offense. It was no surprise to me, as I said a month ago, that Sam wins the job. Trey just can't function as well in that type of offense. They tried to keep him as #3 (to develop) but he requested a trade and they obliged.

Kyle Brandt made that very point on GMFB this morning.

I agree. We must assume that even in practice, Lance never demonstrated the ability to play a in a way similar to Purdy and Darnold. With the Darnold signing and now the TL trade, it is now clear that Shanahan recognized the mistake they made with Lance and cut their losses. That takes some courage and discernment.

Not ashamed. Impressed that the FO was not so ego-involved that they were willing to admit their mistake and move on. A 4th round pick for a #3 QB is quite a good move.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I will say it was a series of unfortunate events for Trey and the 9ers but I'm really not sure how things could be different. Curious to hear!!

Year 1: I think we all agree Jimmy starts and Trey learns

Year 2: I think Trey is at best the #2 QB if not #3 QB on the roster. 9ers invested a lot in him so he gets the #1 spot. I don't believe for an instant that he was a better QB than Jimmy by the end of the camp.

I believe the thought process was he'll start off worse than Jimmy, goes through growing pains, and hopefully be the end of the year he eclipses. No Guarantees but with the investment that's what needs to happen.

The split in the space time continuum is Purdy comes in and does what he does and it changed the calculus completely. If not for Purdy I'm sure Kyle would have a Trey designed offense for this year and his fingers crossed.

Year 3: As long as Purdy recovers from injury he has to be the starter. You can't ask Trent Williams, Deebo, BA, CMC, Bosa, Hargrave, Warner and company to not play the best QB on the team. Their window is now. It's a pretty easy decision that Purdy gets the job.

The question becomes, do you have two offenses because Purdy and Trey play different games. IMO and I believe KS agrees QB1 and QB2 need to run the same offense. It was no surprise to me, as I said a month ago, that Sam wins the job. Trey just can't function as well in that type of offense. They tried to keep him as #3 (to develop) but he requested a trade and they obliged.

Kyle Brandt made that very point on GMFB this morning.

I agree. We must assume that even in practice, Lance never demonstrated the ability to play a in a way similar to Purdy and Darnold. With the Darnold signing and now the TL trade, it is now clear that Shanahan recognized the mistake they made with Lance and cut their losses. That takes some courage and discernment.

Not ashamed. Impressed that the FO was not so ego-involved that they were willing to admit their mistake and move on. A 4th round pick for a #3 QB is quite a good move.

I missed that segment this morning but Albert Breer also spoke to some of these points earlier this week. Specifically the needing the QB2 to be able to run the offense as designed for QB1. Something we've talked about in here on various topics.

In retrospect, I believe the Eagles ended up doubling down on Carson Wentz after his injury and maybe it cost Doug Pederson his job. I don't know enough but the details but that comes to mind in regards to our Front Office / Coaches having the courage to say "we F! up, we own that, but we need to move on."

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I will say it was a series of unfortunate events for Trey and the 9ers but I'm really not sure how things could be different. Curious to hear!!

Year 1: I think we all agree Jimmy starts and Trey learns

Year 2: I think Trey is at best the #2 QB if not #3 QB on the roster. 9ers invested a lot in him so he gets the #1 spot. I don't believe for an instant that he was a better QB than Jimmy by the end of the camp.

I believe the thought process was he'll start off worse than Jimmy, goes through growing pains, and hopefully be the end of the year he eclipses. No Guarantees but with the investment that's what needs to happen.

The split in the space time continuum is Purdy comes in and does what he does and it changed the calculus completely. If not for Purdy I'm sure Kyle would have a Trey designed offense for this year and his fingers crossed.

Year 3: As long as Purdy recovers from injury he has to be the starter. You can't ask Trent Williams, Deebo, BA, CMC, Bosa, Hargrave, Warner and company to not play the best QB on the team. Their window is now. It's a pretty easy decision that Purdy gets the job.

The question becomes, do you have two offenses because Purdy and Trey play different games. IMO and I believe KS agrees QB1 and QB2 need to run the same offense. It was no surprise to me, as I said a month ago, that Sam wins the job. Trey just can't function as well in that type of offense. They tried to keep him as #3 (to develop) but he requested a trade and they obliged.

Kyle Brandt made that very point on GMFB this morning.

I agree. We must assume that even in practice, Lance never demonstrated the ability to play a in a way similar to Purdy and Darnold. With the Darnold signing and now the TL trade, it is now clear that Shanahan recognized the mistake they made with Lance and cut their losses. That takes some courage and discernment.

Not ashamed. Impressed that the FO was not so ego-involved that they were willing to admit their mistake and move on. A 4th round pick for a #3 QB is quite a good move.

Agree. It takes cajones to do what Kyle did. Which was to move on from a Plan A mistake and take advantage of Plam B good fortune.

Trey is just too raw, and they underestimated the time it would take to develop him, at the same time a guy comes in from nowhere to take them to the NFC Championship game from day one of him playing. Its tough to ignore that kind of unexpected good fortune and still go with plan A and Trey.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I will say it was a series of unfortunate events for Trey and the 9ers but I'm really not sure how things could be different. Curious to hear!!

Year 1: I think we all agree Jimmy starts and Trey learns

Year 2: I think Trey is at best the #2 QB if not #3 QB on the roster. 9ers invested a lot in him so he gets the #1 spot. I don't believe for an instant that he was a better QB than Jimmy by the end of the camp.

I believe the thought process was he'll start off worse than Jimmy, goes through growing pains, and hopefully be the end of the year he eclipses. No Guarantees but with the investment that's what needs to happen.

The split in the space time continuum is Purdy comes in and does what he does and it changed the calculus completely. If not for Purdy I'm sure Kyle would have a Trey designed offense for this year and his fingers crossed.

Year 3: As long as Purdy recovers from injury he has to be the starter. You can't ask Trent Williams, Deebo, BA, CMC, Bosa, Hargrave, Warner and company to not play the best QB on the team. Their window is now. It's a pretty easy decision that Purdy gets the job.

The question becomes, do you have two offenses because Purdy and Trey play different games. IMO and I believe KS agrees QB1 and QB2 need to run the same offense. It was no surprise to me, as I said a month ago, that Sam wins the job. Trey just can't function as well in that type of offense. They tried to keep him as #3 (to develop) but he requested a trade and they obliged.

Kyle Brandt made that very point on GMFB this morning.

I agree. We must assume that even in practice, Lance never demonstrated the ability to play a in a way similar to Purdy and Darnold. With the Darnold signing and now the TL trade, it is now clear that Shanahan recognized the mistake they made with Lance and cut their losses. That takes some courage and discernment.

Not ashamed. Impressed that the FO was not so ego-involved that they were willing to admit their mistake and move on. A 4th round pick for a #3 QB is quite a good move.

Agree. It takes cajones to do what Kyle did. Which was to move on from a Plan A mistake and take advantage of Plam B good fortune.

Trey is just too raw, and they underestimated the time it would take to develop him, at the same time a guy comes in from nowhere to take them to the NFC Championship game from day one of him playing. Its tough to ignore that kind of unexpected good fortune and still go with plan A and Trey.

The GMFB consensus was that this is the last we will hear of Trey Lance. He is just too raw and too far behind the developmental curve to be more than the emergency #3 QB on game day.

Originally posted by Bullrush42:

Our head coach is an offensive specialist. He whiffed harder than anyone ever has on a qb prospect. Trey was so bad he couldn't even operate Shannys scheme catered to ask very little outside of structure from qbs.
He was saved by Purdy who looked solid in running that offense. However, when teams figure tho gs out he will be adequate, if that as a qb.
Fortunately, we drafted Nick Bosa and Fred Warner so the defense is nails. The d is where we win our games. I do think we miss Ward this year tho

What aren teams going to figure out? Dude is not a gimmick QB.
The offense was 5th in the NFL last year, I bet it will be top 3 this year.

We have the best roster in the NFL. Top 4 team in NFL 3 out of last 4 seasons. There's no 'perfect' front office. Trade didn't work out but we still have the best roster in the NFL. I only care about on field results. Focused on winning the Super Bowl, not feeling shame about a trade that didn't work out.

Only stupid people is ashamed of the front office.

Seems 75% of the voters are actually smart in this thread. Good.

No, not particularly ashamed, but been puzzled since the early 2000s. The track record leaves the fan(s) nonplussed. Got rid of Mariucci, partially at the behest of Terry Donahue, who was the architect of a ten year fiasco. Ericsson comes in and changes the offense,repudiating our identity and disrupting any chemistry between Garcia and TO, apparently trying to ape the Rams. Garcia/TO feud leads to Owens leaving, and ironically Garcia leaving later on. A congo line of QBs and coaches follow. Harbaugh resurrects the franchise only to end up on the wrong side of Jed. Then, presumably, the 49ers decide to go back to a west coast hybrid cocktail, run by a lackluster coach with a penchant for making bonehead decisions. Now part of this you can ascribe to Jed, and he has some good qualities. However, if the optimists want to say he's like his uncle,well just remember Eddie didn't always make the best decisions either. The reckless decisions to get rid of Bill Walsh over the years, the new helmet design, and the old San Francisco stadium fiasco come to mind (although a great owner), ignoring off the field hiccups. Read somewhere that Jed and Jerry Jones are good buddies: not what we want to hear- for many reasons.To quote an old song "what a long strange trip its been".