Lynch and Shanny are extended. Your thoughts?

Originally posted by joeknows:
The point is that people can't have it both ways - if Trey was very badly judged, then Brock was very well judged.

If Brock was simply 'lucky', then the Trey move was also unlucky.

I don't like the widespread attribution of blame in the former without the recognition of achievement in the latter.

If the 49ers really thought Purdy was this great QB they wouldn't have waited till the 7th round to take him. Kyle loves overdrafting players he loves (see CJ Beathard).

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by Furlow:
They each need to pitch in along with Jed to buy Purdy a house and a car. The OWE him.

He can't afford a house and a car on $900k/yr?

In CA, 50% of that is going to taxes. Leaves $450k which is $37,500/mo. Decent house in Santa Clara is probably $2M, which would be $15k/mo. That's a lot for his salary. He's definitely renting.

Lol poor Brock is probably living paycheck to paycheck. Down to just Ramen and potatoes the last couple days of the month before his next $50,000 monthly paycheck comes in. Rumor has it he had to take the Toyota deal just to put food on the table and keep himself from defaulting on his student loans.

He was on a football scholarship. He doesn't have student loans.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So it turns out that Jed York was not putting Lynch and Shanahan on notice after the Trey Lance trade. He was working on contract extensions for them

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 22, 2023

First round picks are overrated.

We wouldn't have Hargrave if we had to pay another 3 first round busts too.

I wouldn't go that far. But it goes to show how well they have built this team, its unprecedented. Mistakes like this typically kill franchises. Instead, we are an NFC favorite.

I disagree. Mistakes like that will kill this franchise. We just haven't seen it yet. Because of the draft errors and Lance mistake we have missed out on one or two superbowls during this superbowl window. We are one or two injuries away from being a sub .500 team.

I remember the niners royally screwing up draft after draft in the early to mid 90s. Nobody cared because they were still winning. Then it happened. Steve Young got concussed and the team went into shambles. These mistakes will catch up. The stars are aging. The young guys are mediocre with the exception of bosa.

Originally posted by joeknows:
The point is that people can't have it both ways - if Trey was very badly judged, then Brock was very well judged.

If Brock was simply 'lucky', then the Trey move was also unlucky.

I don't like the widespread attribution of blame in the former without the recognition of achievement in the latter.

Well said.

promote Peters already

Extending the duo is about freaking time! No matter what everyone else says about these two, there's no better alternative out there in my opinion. Hell of a job, Jed!!! Now, make Adam Peters the highest paid executive working with Lynch.

What Lynch & Kyle and the rest of the scouting team have done well is supplement with the backend of the draft, so that losing 3 1st rd picks isn't as bad as it would on another team. And let's not forget that they were busting out with picks like Thomas and Foster, Kinlaw. And those 3rd round picks also. Have gotten better since but they aren't solely dependent on those higher round picks. The people calling for their job are looking through the lens of your usual NFL team not the 49ers.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So it turns out that Jed York was not putting Lynch and Shanahan on notice after the Trey Lance trade. He was working on contract extensions for them

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 22, 2023

First round picks are overrated.

We wouldn't have Hargrave if we had to pay another 3 first round busts too.

I wouldn't go that far. But it goes to show how well they have built this team, its unprecedented. Mistakes like this typically kill franchises. Instead, we are an NFC favorite.

I disagree. Mistakes like that will kill this franchise. We just haven't seen it yet. Because of the draft errors and Lance mistake we have missed out on one or two superbowls during this superbowl window. We are one or two injuries away from being a sub .500 team.

I remember the niners royally screwing up draft after draft in the early to mid 90s. Nobody cared because they were still winning. Then it happened. Steve Young got concussed and the team went into shambles. These mistakes will catch up. The stars are aging. The young guys are mediocre with the exception of bosa.

Dude, we're in our superbowl window with a QB on a rookie scale contract, in a roster loaded with all-pros and budding stars. Let's pump the brakes on all the mistakes we've made, because our successes have far outweighed them. The FO isn't just a collection of mistakes, they are judged by the whole of their work, and based on the whole of their work (yes, not unblemished, but that is some weird standard you seem to be obsessed with), we have the arguably the best FO and coaching staff in the league.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So it turns out that Jed York was not putting Lynch and Shanahan on notice after the Trey Lance trade. He was working on contract extensions for them

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 22, 2023

First round picks are overrated.

We wouldn't have Hargrave if we had to pay another 3 first round busts too.

I wouldn't go that far. But it goes to show how well they have built this team, its unprecedented. Mistakes like this typically kill franchises. Instead, we are an NFC favorite.

I disagree. Mistakes like that will kill this franchise. We just haven't seen it yet. Because of the draft errors and Lance mistake we have missed out on one or two superbowls during this superbowl window. We are one or two injuries away from being a sub .500 team.

I remember the niners royally screwing up draft after draft in the early to mid 90s. Nobody cared because they were still winning. Then it happened. Steve Young got concussed and the team went into shambles. These mistakes will catch up. The stars are aging. The young guys are mediocre with the exception of bosa.

The young guys are mediocre?! I beg to differ.
QB - Purdy looks to be the franchise QB we've sought for years.
RB - Mitchell, when healthy, is a stud. Mason also looks like a keeper.
WR - Aiyuk = stud. Deebo = stud. Bell has shined. I'd include Jennings but I think we all agree he is likely gone next year after getting paid by someone on the open market.
TE - bare here unless Latu or Willis develop.
OL - Banks looks like a young stalwart. Burford is having a rocky 2nd year but I still feel he is a long term piece. McKivitz is at minimum a solid backup tackle. He could develop into our long term RT.

DL - Bosa, nuff said. Jackson looks like the bookend partner we have been looking for to pair with Bosa. Ferrell looks good too and may be someone we can keep on the cheap if he remains under the radar. No promising youth have flashed as DT's imo yet.
LB - Warner and Greenlaw are both still in their prime as linebackers. Graham looks like a find and I think Winters will be too.
DB - Hufanga is a pro bowler. Ji'Ayir Brown hopefully is Huf's long term partner. Ward is in his prime. Lenoir looks like a quality starter. Womack has flashed. Thomas has improved. Luter is an unknown, could be good or bad but has intriguing traits.
ST - Moody looks like the guy they thought he was after a scary preseason. Wish is older but also a punter who probably is around at least another 5 years.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by joeknows:
The point is that people can't have it both ways - if Trey was very badly judged, then Brock was very well judged.

If Brock was simply 'lucky', then the Trey move was also unlucky.

I don't like the widespread attribution of blame in the former without the recognition of achievement in the latter.

If the 49ers really thought Purdy was this great QB they wouldn't have waited till the 7th round to take him. Kyle loves overdrafting players he loves (see CJ Beathard).

It doesn't matter Jcool, at the end of the day it doesn't matter how we found him. We were the team that drafted him, we are the team developing him and we are the team winning.

and you know what… we are going to find other gems in the draft. Maybe it'll be in the first maybe it'll be in the 7th but it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Let's just take a look at Lynch/Shanahan's mistakes vs hits

Mistakes:

Solomon Thomas at 3 in 2017
I'd say Foster but Saban lied to the 49ers brass, and no one expected him to be a headache
Trey Lance trade
Kinlaw pick/DeFo trade
Malcolm Smith signing (nitpicking here)
Witherspoon pick (nitpicking here)
Sermon Pick
Joe Williams pick

Hits:

Good Picks:

Bosa
Deebo
Kittle
Warner
Aiyuk
Hufanga
Dre
Lenoir
Bell (Looks like a steal)
Moody (Looks like a great pick)
Wishnowsky (Good pick whether ppl agree or not with me)
Banks
Burford
DJ Jones (Hated losing him, but we have Hargrave now, we upgraded over DJ & DeFo)
Purdy

Others:

Trent trade
CMC trade
Ward signing
Hargrave signing
Juice signing

Letting Laken walk
Letting McGlinchey walk

Those are off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more mistakes I'm forgetting, but more hits than misses.

very good post, but lance trade is the worst in franchise history, and you forgot hurd, pettis and forgetting about great dbs (james, fitzpatrick) in the draft

also, shouldnt put bell or moody like hits yet

overall good job by them, but not great or perfect by any means.

The strongest point in my opinion is there's no available coach out there who is a better option than Shanahan and with Lynch, and Shanahan, in my opinion there's no better relationship compared to these two. Let go of Shanahan and he'll be snagged after a split of a second by another team or there'll be at least a dozen teams competing for his service.

extend him.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
promote Peters already

Originally posted by 49erF90:
The strongest point in my opinion is there's no available coach out there who is a better option than Shanahan and with Lynch, and Shanahan, in my opinion there's no better relationship compared to these two. Let go of Shanahan and he'll be snagged after a split of a second by another team or there'll be at least a dozen teams competing for his service.

Shoot, if there's even a rumor of discontent between Shanahan and the organization, you just know NFL teams gonna call for a trade of Shanahan

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I disagree. Mistakes like that will kill this franchise. We just haven't seen it yet. Because of the draft errors and Lance mistake we have missed out on one or two superbowls during this superbowl window. We are one or two injuries away from being a sub .500 team.

I remember the niners royally screwing up draft after draft in the early to mid 90s. Nobody cared because they were still winning. Then it happened. Steve Young got concussed and the team went into shambles. These mistakes will catch up. The stars are aging. The young guys are mediocre with the exception of bosa.

Totally disagree. I put the blame on injuries. As to your comment about us being one or two injuries away from being a sub .500 team, have you been paying attention the last few years? Obviously not. Well, try to. The last few years we have had some of the deepest injury lists I have seen and yet we have stayed in contention. But now all of a sudden, two injuries will take us sub .500!

The stars are ageing and the youngsters are mediocre? Aiyuk 25, Banks 26, Bell 23, Bosa 25, Darnold 26, Greenlaw 26, Hufuanga 23, Jennings 26, McCaffrey 27, Mitchell 25, Purdy 23, Deebo 27, Warner 26. And aside from Deebo and McCaffrey, these are all guys that figure as mediocre in your view.

I don't recall seeing this volume of wrongness in one post for a long time.