49ERS vs COWBOYS Pregame Thread - 2023 Season Week 5

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This game will come down to which offense can punch it in in the redzone.

Redzone efficiency

DAL defense vs SF offense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 33.33 TD% averaging 0.5 TD's allowed per game.
SF- 66.67 TD% averaging 3 TD's per game.

DAL offense vs SF defense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 36.84 TD% or 1.8 TD's per game.
SF- 66.67% or 1.5 TD's per game.

Our offense has been highly efficient in the redzone but DAL defense has been stellar there.

Our rezone defense has been as suspect as DAL offense. However, both defenses allow only around 2 redzone trips per game. While both offenses get into the redzone almost 5 times per game.

If you ask me what's scarier. Our red one offense (good) vs their RZ defense (good) OR their red zone offense (bad) vs our RZ defense (bad), the advantage goes to Dallas.

they are more likely to score on us in the RZ than we are against their D.

scary

It does look that way. Its going to be a close defensive game. Our best chance is to keep DAL out of the redzone altogether and make them kick FG's.

I see a 21-17 type of game.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This game will come down to which offense can punch it in in the redzone.

Redzone efficiency

DAL defense vs SF offense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 33.33 TD% averaging 0.5 TD's allowed per game.
SF- 66.67 TD% averaging 3 TD's per game.

DAL offense vs SF defense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 36.84 TD% or 1.8 TD's per game.
SF- 66.67% or 1.5 TD's per game.

Our offense has been highly efficient in the redzone but DAL defense has been stellar there.

Our rezone defense has been as suspect as DAL offense. However, both defenses allow only around 2 redzone trips per game. While both offenses get into the redzone almost 5 times per game.

If you ask me what's scarier. Our red one offense (good) vs their RZ defense (good) OR their red zone offense (bad) vs our RZ defense (bad), the advantage goes to Dallas.

they are more likely to score on us in the RZ than we are against their D.

scary

We always seem to be sluggish at home too. This game will reveal a lot about both teams. If we can play a mistake free game, then I think we can win relatively easy.
One thing that gives me confidence is, the 2 teams that beat Dallas the past 2 years were not as good as the current Niner team & roster.
Hopefully we see a game similar to the Pitts game.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Question is how do you stop the quick passing??? So far Matt Stafford, Daniel Jones and Dobbs have been able to do it against this defense. Will a better CB2 do it??

All I know is when I see QB's hitting their quick passes they seem to build a ton of confidence against this defense as the game goes on and its annoying AF!!!

Would you rather the pass rush hold up and not get there so quick and hope our secondary doesn't give up the big play?

Imo, they can dink and dunk all game long. Chances of them putting together 4-5 ten play TD drives a game is pretty damn low.

I mean you're right but it is a glaring weakness of the defense. But hopefully the offense can continue to put up points to take pressure off the defense. I hope they drop 30+ on Dallas 5 weeks in a row, that would be sick!!!

People seem to look at passing yards allowed per game (17th) and get worried. The truth is, offenses cannot run the ball on us and our pass rush is getting there very quickly. So they have no choice but to go to a short, quick passing game. When you look at our pass defense from a YPA lens, we are ranked 3rd in the NFL.

Teams typically can't hold up the short accurate passing game all game, either. Stafford threw a few picks eventually. Dobbs had 2-3 picks dropped by us but should have. Dak will throw some too - it'll be the main difference in this game.

i think they'll move lamb to the slot and pick on Ambry - hopefully he plays solid.

I don't think Dak is as good a QB as Stafford. He'll make mistakes that Stafford won't. It's clear they will pick on Deommodore and Ambry. Just have to rally and tackle and go blitz/dime coverage more than usual.

Originally posted by Patton:
We always seem to be sluggish at home too. This game will reveal a lot about both teams. If we can play a mistake free game, then I think we can win relatively easy.
One thing that gives me confidence is, the 2 teams that beat Dallas the past 2 years were not as good as the current Niner team & roster.
Hopefully we see a game similar to the Pitts game.

Night game, National TV, Cowboys, playoff atmosphere. I'm not worried about sluggishness this Sunday.

I agree, if they play a clean game, we should see a comfortable Niner W.

The tight playoff game I think is making a lot of us cautious about predicting/expecting a huge offensive performance from our team.

It could happen for sure, but we all know it very well might not.

So the real question is, can someone go over what the Cowboys did that slowed down our offense the most it's ever been slowed down under Purdy?

They shut down the run, and made Purdy uncomfortable. Perhaps a great game plan by Quinn, combined with Purdy's inexperience?

Now we have more experienced Purdy, a more in tune CMC, and Kyle has more to work with.......that's what I'm banking on here, even if the Cowboys defense is somehow better than it was in January.

We gotta keep our scoring average to 30 points or more... I think the Niners win 25-20.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The tight playoff game I think is making a lot of us cautious about predicting/expecting a huge offensive performance from our team.

It could happen for sure, but we all know it very well might not.

So the real question is, can someone go over what the Cowboys did that slowed down our offense the most it's ever been slowed down under Purdy?

They shut down the run, and made Purdy uncomfortable. Perhaps a great game plan by Quinn, combined with Purdy's inexperience?

Now we have more experienced Purdy, a more in tune CMC, and Kyle has more to work with.......that's what I'm banking on here, even if the Cowboys defense is somehow better than it was in January.

DAL crowded the line of scrimmage and played press man in that playoff game. McG was getting manhandled by Parsons and they were not letting Purdy drift left like he had a habit of doing last season. Purdy is now more calm with pressure around him and he moves in the pocket well. I have seen him leave the pocket very little so far this season. As far as beating man coverage, Purdy seems to have perfected that back shoulder fade that beats man coverage. So maybe his improved pocket ability and perfected man beating skills will prove to be too much for DAL defense.

I'm kind of nervous how our dline will do against their oline

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I'm kind of nervous how our dline will do against their oline

In a normal situation, our D line would tear em up. The issue is that teams play the fast short pass against us to negate the d line. Our corners play off by a lot to try and make sure big plays dont happen. So our defense has been on the field a lot because we constantly give up short plays all day long.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
The tight playoff game I think is making a lot of us cautious about predicting/expecting a huge offensive performance from our team.

It could happen for sure, but we all know it very well might not.

So the real question is, can someone go over what the Cowboys did that slowed down our offense the most it's ever been slowed down under Purdy?

They shut down the run, and made Purdy uncomfortable. Perhaps a great game plan by Quinn, combined with Purdy's inexperience?

Now we have more experienced Purdy, a more in tune CMC, and Kyle has more to work with.......that's what I'm banking on here, even if the Cowboys defense is somehow better than it was in January.

DAL crowded the line of scrimmage and played press man in that playoff game. McG was getting manhandled by Parsons and they were not letting Purdy drift left like he had a habit of doing last season. Purdy is now more calm with pressure around him and he moves in the pocket well. I have seen him leave the pocket very little so far this season. As far as beating man coverage, Purdy seems to have perfected that back shoulder fade that beats man coverage. So maybe his improved pocket ability and perfected man beating skills will prove to be too much for DAL defense.

Yeah, the Cowboys have the defensive personnel to make things tough for our offense. Plus, Dan Quinn is a top defensive coordinator and knows Shanahan pretty well.
There's going to be drives that they win, and we just need to keep grinding to be productive and score points when we can. The key is to not get impatient and make mistakes.

If the Cowboys play heavy man coverage, we're going to need another top-level performance from Aiyuk. He's our best WR against man coverage. And presumably, we'll get some mismatches for CMC and Kittle.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I'm kind of nervous how our dline will do against their oline

In a normal situation, our D line would tear em up. The issue is that teams play the fast short pass against us to negate the d line. Our corners play off by a lot to try and make sure big plays dont happen. So our defense has been on the field a lot because we constantly give up short plays all day long.

Dallas/McCarthy has been shifting to a short passing game so far this season. They're calling it the Texas Coast offense.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This game will come down to which offense can punch it in in the redzone.

Redzone efficiency

DAL defense vs SF offense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 33.33 TD% averaging 0.5 TD's allowed per game.
SF- 66.67 TD% averaging 3 TD's per game.

DAL offense vs SF defense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 36.84 TD% or 1.8 TD's per game.
SF- 66.67% or 1.5 TD's per game.

Our offense has been highly efficient in the redzone but DAL defense has been stellar there.

Our rezone defense has been as suspect as DAL offense. However, both defenses allow only around 2 redzone trips per game. While both offenses get into the redzone almost 5 times per game.

If you ask me what's scarier. Our red one offense (good) vs their RZ defense (good) OR their red zone offense (bad) vs our RZ defense (bad), the advantage goes to Dallas.

they are more likely to score on us in the RZ than we are against their D.

scary

It does look that way. Its going to be a close defensive game. Our best chance is to keep DAL out of the redzone altogether and make them kick FG's.

I see a 21-17 type of game.

I think it'll be a lot higher, unless Wilks can tighten this D up. I really think Dak will have a good game, Purdy may wind up in a shootout. Until our D has that dominant performance, I have to assume they're still closer to bend not break. 34-27 Niners.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This game will come down to which offense can punch it in in the redzone.

Redzone efficiency

DAL defense vs SF offense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 33.33 TD% averaging 0.5 TD's allowed per game.
SF- 66.67 TD% averaging 3 TD's per game.

DAL offense vs SF defense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 36.84 TD% or 1.8 TD's per game.
SF- 66.67% or 1.5 TD's per game.

Our offense has been highly efficient in the redzone but DAL defense has been stellar there.

Our rezone defense has been as suspect as DAL offense. However, both defenses allow only around 2 redzone trips per game. While both offenses get into the redzone almost 5 times per game.

If you ask me what's scarier. Our red one offense (good) vs their RZ defense (good) OR their red zone offense (bad) vs our RZ defense (bad), the advantage goes to Dallas.

they are more likely to score on us in the RZ than we are against their D.

scary

It does look that way. Its going to be a close defensive game. Our best chance is to keep DAL out of the redzone altogether and make them kick FG's.

I see a 21-17 type of game.

I think it'll be a lot higher, unless Wilks can tighten this D up. I really think Dak will have a good game, Purdy may wind up in a shootout. Until our D has that dominant performance, I have to assume they're still closer to bend not break. 34-27 Niners.

I really think you are underestimating our defense and their's.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I'm kind of nervous how our dline will do against their oline

In a normal situation, our D line would tear em up. The issue is that teams play the fast short pass against us to negate the d line. Our corners play off by a lot to try and make sure big plays dont happen. So our defense has been on the field a lot because we constantly give up short plays all day long.

Dallas/McCarthy has been shifting to a short passing game so far this season. They're calling it the Texas Coast offense.

Our defense welcomes the short passing game and if they can't run the ball, its just a matter of time before Dak gets impatient just like Stafford. Stafford is a far better QB than Dak and they were only able to put up 23 on us with a last second meaningless FG.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This game will come down to which offense can punch it in in the redzone.

Redzone efficiency

DAL defense vs SF offense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 33.33 TD% averaging 0.5 TD's allowed per game.
SF- 66.67 TD% averaging 3 TD's per game.

DAL offense vs SF defense RZ efficiency.

DAL- 36.84 TD% or 1.8 TD's per game.
SF- 66.67% or 1.5 TD's per game.

Our offense has been highly efficient in the redzone but DAL defense has been stellar there.

Our rezone defense has been as suspect as DAL offense. However, both defenses allow only around 2 redzone trips per game. While both offenses get into the redzone almost 5 times per game.

If you ask me what's scarier. Our red one offense (good) vs their RZ defense (good) OR their red zone offense (bad) vs our RZ defense (bad), the advantage goes to Dallas.

they are more likely to score on us in the RZ than we are against their D.

scary

It does look that way. Its going to be a close defensive game. Our best chance is to keep DAL out of the redzone altogether and make them kick FG's.

I see a 21-17 type of game.

I think it'll be a lot higher, unless Wilks can tighten this D up. I really think Dak will have a good game, Purdy may wind up in a shootout. Until our D has that dominant performance, I have to assume they're still closer to bend not break. 34-27 Niners.

I really think you are underestimating our defense and their's.

I hope I'm underestimating our defense, but not underestimating theirs. If anything I may be overestimating our offense, I'm just so excited to see how Brock has unlocked it.