49ERS vs COWBOYS Pregame Thread - 2023 Season Week 5

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

PFF credited Brock Purdy with a turnover worthy play on his only incompletion yesterday against Arizona.

Not exactly sure I would call this turnover worthy but 🤷🏽‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/wVSjFUSA3d

— karan (@905Kar) October 2, 2023

not sure how this is a TWP…..? If they're counting stuff like this then idk how reliable that stat is. I'm one of the guys who think that stat is a cool piece of data but what the hell is this?

Could it not be the deep throw to Aiyuk in double coverage that Aiyuk had to make a finger tips catch? How does Karan know it was that specific play?

Good question, but probably that since it was the only incompletion of the day, they assumed that was why.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
I'm excited for this. Cowboys defense is a great litmus test for Purdy and the offense, at this stage in the season.

No doubt that they can put up points on the average NFL defense, but excited to see how Purdy does against an elite defense that will be hellbent on stopping the run and forcing mistakes on his part. If he plays disciplined football and protects the football, we should be able to pull away from them in the second half.

He did it last year, and Jimmy did it the season before. Purdy's even better than he was last year and the offense is red hot right now. I'd be absolutely shocked if they struggle.

For our defense, we should be able to handle their offense as we have in the previous two games. The difference though is how will Steve Wilks choose to scheme against the Cowboys?

49ers beat Dallas's defense twice WITH Trevon Diggs too. That said I do expect a good game and expect to see them a second time in the playoffs.

Dallas has a good defense but overall I'm just not impressed by them, who have they really beat??? Jets, Giants and Pats, you gotta be frickin kidding me. But lose convincingly to the Cards. I don't buy their hype at all.

Agreed. Shannon Sharpe has been railing on them the past couple weeks, and he's absolutely correct. They play opportunistic, pressure defense and are really good at snowballing and bullying weak offenses. The Jets (Zach Wilson isn't great), Giants (Daniel Jones isn't great), and Patriots (Mac Jones isn't great) simply wilted under the pressure. The Cardinals came and ran the ball, and Dobbs came ready to play... and the Cowboys found they couldn't bully them. No reason why we can't again beat them as we have the last two years.

The Cowboys are great against teams that abandon the run. I believe they probably have a better pass rush unit than the 49ers, but their secondary is only decent without Diggs.

The beauty of this team though is that it won't abandon the run.... ever. Even in the last playoff game, we struggled to run as efficiently as we did all year... against the cowboys, but we stuck with it.

This team can play from behind or with a lead, it doesn't matter. The cowboys have to play with a lead, or they will make mistakes.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Could it not be the deep throw to Aiyuk into double coverage that Aiyuk had to make a finger tips catch? How does Karan know it was that specific play?

Not sure how it would be that play either.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

PFF credited Brock Purdy with a turnover worthy play on his only incompletion yesterday against Arizona.

Not exactly sure I would call this turnover worthy but 🤷🏽‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/wVSjFUSA3d

— karan (@905Kar) October 2, 2023

not sure how this is a TWP…..? If they're counting stuff like this then idk how reliable that stat is. I'm one of the guys who think that stat is a cool piece of data but what the hell is this?

Could it not be the deep throw to Aiyuk in double coverage that Aiyuk had to make a finger tips catch? How does Karan know it was that specific play?

Good question, but probably that since it was the only incompletion of the day, they assumed that was why.

If that's why (incomplete pass) then Karan is wrong.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The Cowboys are great against teams that abandon the run. I believe they probably have a better pass rush unit than the 49ers, but their secondary is only decent without Diggs.

The beauty of this team though is that it won't abandon the run.... ever. Even in the last playoff game, we struggled to run as efficiently as we did all year... against the cowboys, but we stuck with it.

This team can play from behind or with a lead, it doesn't matter. The cowboys have to play with a lead, or they will make mistakes.

Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Could it not be the deep throw to Aiyuk into double coverage that Aiyuk had to make a finger tips catch? How does Karan know it was that specific play?

Not sure how it would be that play either.

The reason why I am questioning it is because the PFF TWP credit went on Brock's cean pocket stats and not his under pressure stats. The play shown in the tweet, Brock is clearly under pressure.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

If the 9ers have zero turnovers they win the game. Don't know what the score will be but they will win.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The Cowboys are great against teams that abandon the run. I believe they probably have a better pass rush unit than the 49ers, but their secondary is only decent without Diggs.

The beauty of this team though is that it won't abandon the run.... ever. Even in the last playoff game, we struggled to run as efficiently as we did all year... against the cowboys, but we stuck with it.

This team can play from behind or with a lead, it doesn't matter. The cowboys have to play with a lead, or they will make mistakes.

Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

I agree - they don't have great run stop and that's the best way to slow down their pass rush. We will have an aggressive and sophisticated run game - our backs are playing awesome too.

last year what impressed me against them in the playoffs was how athletic and fast their defense was, I think they lost a key player in that regard when diggs went down.

i do worry about mckivitz against parsons, hopefully he can hold his own. I just worry about Brock getting cracked while he's looking left.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The reason why I am questioning it is because the PFF TWP credit went on Brock's cean pocket stats and not his under pressure stats. The play shown in the tweet, Brock is clearly under pressure.

Yea I have no idea. I would just argue that completion/throw was not a turnover worthy play, lol.

I personally am not a fan of PFF.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

If the 9ers have zero turnovers they win the game. Don't know what the score will be but they will win.

Too much pressure will be put on Dak to perform, meaning he will be good for two turnovers. Pollard can't handle the entire run load that they'll need to beat us. They're at a bigger disadvantage this year against us. They do have Brandon cooks - so maybe they try to do what the rams did

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The reason why I am questioning it is because the PFF TWP credit went on Brock's cean pocket stats and not his under pressure stats. The play shown in the tweet, Brock is clearly under pressure.

Yea I have no idea. I would just argue that completion/throw was not a turnover worthy play, lol.

I personally am not a fan of PFF.

I am willing to bet it was that deep throw into double coverage that Aiyuk made an amazing catch on that is the real play in question.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The reason why I am questioning it is because the PFF TWP credit went on Brock's cean pocket stats and not his under pressure stats. The play shown in the tweet, Brock is clearly under pressure.

Yea I have no idea. I would just argue that completion/throw was not a turnover worthy play, lol.

I personally am not a fan of PFF.

I think I do a good job of being fairly objective and I don't think any pass by Brock yesterday should be considered TWP. He had a few early in the giants game but that's about it.

if they're counting plays like the deep one to Aiyuk as TWP, then are they counting all well covered tight window throws as TWP? I'm a big believer in the "eye test" with football, sometbing I doubt the guys at off rely on. They probably purely go off of AWS next gen stats

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The Cowboys are great against teams that abandon the run. I believe they probably have a better pass rush unit than the 49ers, but their secondary is only decent without Diggs.

The beauty of this team though is that it won't abandon the run.... ever. Even in the last playoff game, we struggled to run as efficiently as we did all year... against the cowboys, but we stuck with it.

This team can play from behind or with a lead, it doesn't matter. The cowboys have to play with a lead, or they will make mistakes.

Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

I agree - they don't have great run stop and that's the best way to slow down their pass rush. We will have an aggressive and sophisticated run game - our backs are playing awesome too.

last year what impressed me against them in the playoffs was how athletic and fast their defense was, I think they lost a key player in that regard when diggs went down.

i do worry about mckivitz against parsons, hopefully he can hold his own. I just worry about Brock getting cracked while he's looking left.

I want to get Mason involved early in the game, because I feel like the Cowboys are gonna come in head hunting to start the game, and to win this one we need at least 30-35 rushing attempts.

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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea to me the key against that defense is running the ball.

We should be fine if we just roll with a conservative gameplan and protect the football, just like last year's game. The Cowboys offense is not special and if we're not giving them extra opportunities and great FP, they're going to struggle to score I think.

I'd like to see us have a similar gameplan to last year but maybe slightly more aggressive in the pass game - if we aren't under the same pressure as we were last year. Brock was pressured like 48% of the time last time we played them.

i think CMC is more crisp than last year and will be extremely impactful, especially in the underneath game.

i just expect us to attack a little more in the pass game, if protection holds up. I just don't want this to be a 3 point game going into the fourth. I hope we have at least a 10 pt lead going into the fourth, otherwise idk if my heart can handle it. Hahaha