GMFB rating the 49ers top 5 players.

First off, GMFB has been pretty even handed when talking 49ers, and they all agreed, the hardest part of rating the top 5 players was that there are probably a dozen who should be on that list. Nonetheless it came down to:

Purdy at #5
and then CMC, juice, Warner and #71. Of the 4 GMFB announcers, 2 had Freddie at #1 and 2 had Big Trent at #1. There was one other pick at #4 and that was…Kyle When you think about it Kittle certainly is a top 2 TE league-wide, Brandon has become one of the top 2 or 3 WRs in the league, Brock is leading all QBs in virtually most every stat, the big one being 5-0 after 5 games. But talentwise, head , body, arm…he is a stud.

Warner and Greenlaw together are the best 2 man LB tandem in the league. Bosa? No camp and he is in midseason form already, and after Sun nite, Micah is NOT better than Bosa ..not even close.

But then you think about what Parsons has done to date and…well, the best LT in the league just flat out stymied him. And McKivitz handled him also, but nobody was as dominating as Trent.

The last player listed got one vote…and that player was….KYLE. Looking at the all star talent on this team, front to back O and D, there is no question that Kyle is making music out there on his playcalling. How many times Sun nite did the pre snap movement move DAL one way and then kyle has a WR/FB/RB/TE be right where the defense had just left? Kyle is truly in his element and for the first time, has an entire team to work with.

The old adage "the pendulum always swings back" has been in play now for 5 weeks. DAL had at least 5 or maybe 7 guys helped off the field. Suddenly most every other team I can think of has lost star players, or certainly starters, from JJ in MN to the #1 QB in the draft, and all positions in between. We have been there for 8 previously LONG, LONG yrs. Granted the season is not even 1/3 over yet, but man does it feel good not wondering who we are going to lose next. We've been there…done that. Let's just hope it stays that way. And those cheap shots at CMC? That has to stop.

Forgot one…there was one vote at #4 for Juice, the best FB in the league, but also the best ball-handler blocker anywhere.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

First off, GMFB has been pretty even handed when talking 49ers, and they all agreed, the hardest part of rating the top 5 players was that there are probably a dozen who should be on that list. Nonetheless it came down to:

Purdy at #5
and then CMC, juice, Warner and #71. Of the 4 GMFB announcers, 2 had Freddie at #1 and 2 had Big Trent at #1. There was one other pick at #4 and that was…Kyle When you think about it Kittle certainly is a top 2 TE league-wide, Brandon has become one of the top 2 or 3 WRs in the league, Brock is leading all QBs in virtually most every stat, the big one being 5-0 after 5 games. But talentwise, head , body, arm…he is a stud.

Warner and Greenlaw together are the best 2 man LB tandem in the league. Bosa? No camp and he is in midseason form already, and after Sun nite, Micah is NOT better than Bosa ..not even close.

But then you think about what Parsons has done to date and…well, the best LT in the league just flat out stymied him. And McKivitz handled him also, but nobody was as dominating as Trent.

The last player listed got one vote…and that player was….KYLE. Looking at the all star talent on this team, front to back O and D, there is no question that Kyle is making music out there on his playcalling. How many times Sun nite did the pre snap movement move DAL one way and then kyle has a WR/FB/RB/TE be right where the defense had just left? Kyle is truly in his element and for the first time, has an entire team to work with.

The old adage "the pendulum always swings back" has been in play now for 5 weeks. DAL had at least 5 or maybe 7 guys helped off the field. Suddenly most every other team I can think of has lost star players, or certainly starters, from JJ in MN to the #1 QB in the draft, and all positions in between. We have been there for 8 previously LONG, LONG yrs. Granted the season is not even 1/3 over yet, but man does it feel good not wondering who we are going to lose next. We've been there…done that. Let's just hope it stays that way. And those cheap shots at CMC? That has to stop.

Which stat? I don't see him leading in any stat

^^^ Well, to make this easy, and especially after game before this, that 20 /21 completions/ passes attempted pushed his pass completion % to 71.8 or soemthing ridiculous like that. But the other QB stats were there also, when he entered the game last nite.

This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

You could rank importance to team (what most people do), or rank of individual players versus rest of the league (and if we have ties for #1, the separation from others).

So from pure skill, I see Trent as #1 LT, Fred as #1 MLB, Bosa top 3 edge, Kittle as top 2 TE, Juice as #1 FB, CMC top 3 RB.

I could go on pure raw talent:

Trent
Fred
Juice
Kittle
Bosa

Importance to the team:

Bosa
Purdy
CMC
Trent
Fred

Fun debate to have, haha

They are all number 1 to me

Originally posted by Montana:
They are all number 1 to me

Second that!

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

Nice job, AB, and i did what you did because there aren't just 5 top players…when an opposing coach says the next team up is loaded…usually they are blowing smoke ….but when they say '49ers" that's a different story. When you look at AB's list, where do you see someone who isn't right at the top of the list of players at that position? How does one decide whether Big Trent is better than FRed or Brock or BA or Deebo, or Juice, or Nick…or… or…or …it is a fact that JL and Kyle have put together the best talent in the league.

Sports talk radio, nationally…it's hard to listen to them very long without hearing about all the top players that the 9ers have. Makes one think back to when we signed JL as GM and there were a ton of fans that Pooh poohed that. I thot it was brilliant…and now, I have friends from other teams, (cowboys, rams, chargers) who want to know how we got so much talent all on one team . Most teams have 2, 3, maybe 4 stalwart players but AB's list above is just ruddy ridiculous with talent…and we can thank JL and Kyle for that.

It is incredible to have a list of talent like this above, and as for who is the best or top 5…who cares…they're all fantastic. We have not just standouts but studs at QB, RB WR, TE, OL, DL, LBs, DBs
.
That doesn't mean that this is all our talent, far from it. Our entire DL is killer's row, with Nick front and center,. LBs are best duo in NFL. DBs have really been great this yr. On O it is Brock, #71 and the entire OL, best FB in the league, best TE in league, and then JJ and Ray Ray…good grief…has anyone ever, ever, put together a roster like this? And…we got DEPTH. It's only fair to add +1 and that would be the HC/OC who Sun nite put on a show for all NFL coaches and esp OCs, on how to playcall. That's what we saw Sun nite…a clinic of how to playcall . Just ask the cowboys. Kyle had receivers open every single play. Enjoy it because this is a rare , rare gathering of studs, who are all on the same page.

If i had to pick my favorite BEST it would be big Trent and Nick. Amazingly, Brock is able to hang with these guys and feels right at home.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Montana:
They are all number 1 to me

Second that!

Add me to the list

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

It's a fun problem to have... Because you can look at things from the perspective of either "how good is this player individually?" vs "how important is this player within our scheme?" The thought exercise is particularly interesting because it is something our front office has to go think about when they have to weigh the roster vs. the salary cap.

I think you can evaluate players based on how they fare compared to the rest of the league. Trent Williams, Fred Warner, Juice, are easily #1 at their respective positions. Bosa, CMC, Kittle are each top 3 for theirs. All the other players in that list are at least top 10 or top 15.

But even still, looking at it that way isn't foolproof. If you removed, say, George Kittle, from our offense, we'd still be an elite offense. But Kittle's versatility as a run-blocker, route runner, potential ball carrier, and ability to help out in the pass game... that just opens things up and allows other people to shine.

There's a ton of synergy on the offensive and defensive units. Every guy just helps the other guys shine.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

Nice job, AB, and i did what you did because there aren't just 5 top players…when an opposing coach says the next team up is loaded…usually they are blowing smoke ….but when they say '49ers" that's a different story. When you look at AB's list, where do you see someone who isn't right at the top of the list of players at that position? How does one decide whether Big Trent is better than FRed or Brock or BA or Deebo, or Juice, or Nick…or… or…or …it is a fact that JL and Kyle have put together the best talent in the league.

Sports talk radio, nationally…it's hard to listen to them very long without hearing about all the top players that the 9ers have. Makes one think back to when we signed JL as GM and there were a ton of fans that Pooh poohed that. I thot it was brilliant…and now, I have friends from other teams, (cowboys, rams, chargers) who want to know how we got so much talent all on one team . Most teams have 2, 3, maybe 4 stalwart players but AB's list above is just ruddy ridiculous with talent…and we can thank JL and Kyle for that.

It is incredible to have a list of talent like this above, and as for who is the best or top 5…who cares…they're all fantastic. We have not just standouts but studs at QB, RB WR, TE, OL, DL, LBs, DBs
.
That doesn't mean that this is all our talent, far from it. Our entire DL is killer's row, with Nick front and center,. LBs are best duo in NFL. DBs have really been great this yr. On O it is Brock, #71 and the entire OL, best FB in the league, best TE in league, and then JJ and Ray Ray…good grief…has anyone ever, ever, put together a roster like this? And…we got DEPTH. It's only fair to add +1 and that would be the HC/OC who Sun nite put on a show for all NFL coaches and esp OCs, on how to playcall. That's what we saw Sun nite…a clinic of how to playcall . Just ask the cowboys. Kyle had receivers open every single play. Enjoy it because this is a rare , rare gathering of studs, who are all on the same page.

If i had to pick my favorite BEST it would be big Trent and Nick. Amazingly, Brock is able to hang with these guys and feels right at home.

Thanks Doc, agreed, it's crazy how much top tier talent we have, and most of it is homegrown, developed by Kyle & the coaches, and best thing is we can keep these 15 guys long term, it's doable with the cap rising so much every year, plus with all that cap room we have now, we just need to carryover as much as possible, and we're in good shape next year to just sit back, and add some quality vets on 1yr deals, then draft smart, but first we need to finish 2023's mission of getting to the SB, and winning it.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

It's a fun problem to have... Because you can look at things from the perspective of either "how good is this player individually?" vs "how important is this player within our scheme?" The thought exercise is particularly interesting because it is something our front office has to go think about when they have to weigh the roster vs. the salary cap.

I think you can evaluate players based on how they fare compared to the rest of the league. Trent Williams, Fred Warner, Juice, are easily #1 at their respective positions. Bosa, CMC, Kittle are each top 3 for theirs. All the other players in that list are at least top 10 or top 15.

But even still, looking at it that way isn't foolproof. If you removed, say, George Kittle, from our offense, we'd still be an elite offense. But Kittle's versatility as a run-blocker, route runner, potential ball carrier, and ability to help out in the pass game... that just opens things up and allows other people to shine.

There's a ton of synergy on the offensive and defensive units. Every guy just helps the other guys shine.

Yes it is a fun problem to have, thankfully we can keep the gang together, yes we'll lose a Mitchell, Burks, McCloud, Jauan, Lenoir over the next 2 offseasons, but drafting well will go a long way.

Yeah I agree with Trent, Juice & Warner as top at their position, then the same with CMC, Bosa, Kittle top 3, rest being top 10-15, this roster is loaded, and we just added Gregory for little($840K) this season, and they may not be done, they could look to get a CB, if Surtain becomes available, we need to get him.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

IMO, despite not posting the flashy numbers yet, Nick Bosa is and has been the team MVP since we drafted him. Many people said we had the bad record in 2020 due to JG's injury, but I still feel it was due to losing Bosa. The defense has been the engine driving the machine Shanalynch has built, and Bosa is the heart and sole of the D.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
This is a tough one, Idk if I can rank the top 15 players, all I know is I have the following as top 15 players on the roster, just not sure how to rank them.

Purdy
CMC
Juice
Deebo
BA
Kittle
Trent
Banks
Bosa
AA
Hargrave
Fred
Dre
Ward
Hufanga

It's a fun problem to have... Because you can look at things from the perspective of either "how good is this player individually?" vs "how important is this player within our scheme?" The thought exercise is particularly interesting because it is something our front office has to go think about when they have to weigh the roster vs. the salary cap.

I think you can evaluate players based on how they fare compared to the rest of the league. Trent Williams, Fred Warner, Juice, are easily #1 at their respective positions. Bosa, CMC, Kittle are each top 3 for theirs. All the other players in that list are at least top 10 or top 15.

But even still, looking at it that way isn't foolproof. If you removed, say, George Kittle, from our offense, we'd still be an elite offense. But Kittle's versatility as a run-blocker, route runner, potential ball carrier, and ability to help out in the pass game... that just opens things up and allows other people to shine.

There's a ton of synergy on the offensive and defensive units. Every guy just helps the other guys shine.

Yes it is a fun problem to have, thankfully we can keep the gang together, yes we'll lose a Mitchell, Burks, McCloud, Jauan, Lenoir over the next 2 offseasons, but drafting well will go a long way.

Yeah I agree with Trent, Juice & Warner as top at their position, then the same with CMC, Bosa, Kittle top 3, rest being top 10-15, this roster is loaded, and we just added Gregory for little($840K) this season, and they may not be done, they could look to get a CB, if Surtain becomes available, we need to get him.

I could be mistaken, but I thought you had Lenoir figured into our longterm plans. Has something changed or do I have it wrong? All of the others, I figured were gone, along with some people you didn't have on the list (Greenlaw). I think Lenoir is better than he's given credit for, but are you sensing a HUGE deal for him in free agency? If that's the case, yes we'll definitely have to not only draft, but develop some more talent on the outside. Hoping we invest two picks at CB, day 2 and 3. Next year, I'm anticipating a group of Ward (who needs to be extended), Lenoir, Oliver, Womack, Luter, and our day 2 rookie, It leaves the day 3 player and Ambry Thomas as the odd men out. I figure whoever is the winner of that battle is on the practice squad.

I'm shocked that you are on the Surtain train. Not that he isn't an amazing player, but I figure you are aware, more so than anywhere here of the cost. Of course if Denver isn't asking for a 1st outright (CMC type of trade), you jump all over that. But I can't forsee that happening.